Talk:City of Westminster Cemetery, Hanwell

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This article now needs to be renamed City of Westminster Cemetery, Hanwell and any erroneous information and photos removed. Important: The re-naming need to be done by an editor with admin rights to prevent the old name becoming a redirect to the new article name. The old name (Hanwell cemetery) instead needs to redirect to Hanwell#Cemeteries to aid disambiguation between the two or three cemeteries.--Aspro (talk) 11:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History: internment (first two paragraphs) should be interment. Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 03:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

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Internment (first two paragraphs) should be interment. Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 03:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to City of Westminster Cemetery, Hanwell. As point out, it is fairly clear that the sole opposer was mistaken in his reasoning. Number 5 7 12:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hanwell Cemetery → City of Westminster, Hanwell Cemetery – There are three graveyards in Hanwell (four or more, if you include Anglo-Saxon ones etc) but thanks to smart-phones, WP leads people to spend hours in the wrong location because the article name is wrong. Two modern ones are not Hanwell's cemeteries but the spill-out from two London Boroughs, and geographically located in Hanwell due to lack of space in those Boroughs. Hanwellians don't get interned there nor do Kensington and Chelsea residents, so WP is wasting the time of the relatives of the deceased by directing them to the wrong place. See composite photo. Hanwell's cemetery is St Mary's Graveyard and every cab driver knows this but confronted by a passengers smart-phone showing 'WP's article he just dives them to where WP instructs them. Hope this makes things clear.--Aspro (talk) 17:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Aspro:: I fixed up the move request template at the top of this section. I hope that's what you meant. --Closeapple (talk) 19:57, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Haven't done this before so that is what I probably should have done.--Aspro (talk) 23:01, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Move to something like City of Westminster Cemetery, Hanwell (as per sign in File:Han cem.jpg), and make Hanwell Cemetery a disambiguation page or redirect to Hanwell#Cemeteries. Best for Wikipedia not to add to the confusion. (That being said: Wikipedia isn't the only source causing the problem: Google Maps, Here/Yahoo Maps, MapQuest, and OpenStreetMap all refer to the cemetery on the north side as "Kensington & Chelsea" without "Hanwell" in the name (just as the actual sign on the arch at Uxbridge street in Google Street View), but the cemetery on the south side of the road as just "Hanwell Cemetery" without "Westminster" in the name. And just to confuse things, the Kensington and Chelsea website and the City of Westminster site each says its Hanwell Cemetery is at 38 Uxbridge Road, Ealing, London, W7 3PP! It appears, from Hanwell cemetery map.pdf via [1], that it's Kensington & Chelsea's cemetery that's mislabeled, and its entrance is actually 31 Uxbridge Road.) --Closeapple (talk) 19:57, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you have put your finger on it. They also have what they declare to be the (aka) Mill Hill Cemetery but is known as the City of Westminster (Paddington) Cemetery, Mill Hill. Also the East Finchley Cemetery. These are local names for use in the Boroughs of Westminster. Not nationally recognized names. As you pointed out, people on Google Maps, Here/Yahoo Maps, MapQuest, and OpenStreetMap look towards WP for reference and are spreading the confusion.--Aspro (talk) 23:01, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Closeapple, City of Westminster Cemetery, Hanwell, which matches sign and Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Cemetery, Hanwell, Gregkaye ✍♪ 07:21, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Hanwell Cemetery does appear to be its common name, as it says on the sign pictured above ("Hanwell Cemetery" is far larger than any other name). It is not the function of Wikipedia article titles to explain things in painful detail to people who can't be bothered to read the article properly. And we don't disambiguate unless we have two or more articles with the same name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thinks that Necrothesp has unwittingly proven the need and our reason for a renaming; as Necrothesp has himself not read the article properly. This is a composite photo of just Signage. The "Hanwell Cemetery signage" (which is far larger than any other name) is NOT in the City of Westminster Cemetery, Hanwell but at the entrance of another graveyard, whos Bough's local name for 'their own' overflow burial ground is also Hanwell cemetery! Can Necrothesp now see how much confusion this is causing?--Aspro (talk) 22:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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