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We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.
Cleanup.
To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?
Standardize the Chronology.
A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)
Stub sorting
Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .
Data sorting.
This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.
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Since this article has been stripped of the coordinates and the page List of ancient Egyptian sites is much more comprehensive I suggest these two pages be merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cush (talk • contribs) 16:46, 3 August 2009
Yes, you are missing something. I checked the first item in Cities of ancient Egypt – Pikuat (Canopus, K) – and didn't find either Canopus or Pikuat in the "list of ancient Egyptian sites." I've only checked one, but I suspect it's not the only "city of ancient Egypt" that is not redundantly mentioned in the "list of ancient Egyptian sites." – Wbm1058 (talk) 15:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is a hole in the Cities of the ancient Near EastEgypt section (where this article was carved from) that's just filled with a {{Main}} template. It would be easy to transclude this back into the hole—just lower the section levels a notch and remove the {{Ancient Egypt topics}} from the bottom. Is there an attempt here to make a distinction between a city and a site? I suppose that all cities could also be considered sites, they're all located somewhere, at some site. But the reverse isn't true, there could be a site where just a couple families settled, or a site of a pyramid, or a site on a mountaintop where some guy gave a speech. I think by "site" the authors mean a Category:Archaeological sites in Egypt site. Everything here should also be in Category:Cities in Ancient Egypt, right? If there's justification for two distinct categories, then perhaps distinct lists too? This "article" has no lede, and no prose. It's just a list that could easily be converted into a template. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:45, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're quite right--I was missing several somethings. Thank you. I also appreciate your point about the distinction between cities and sites, and that there's also a difference between archaeological sites and sites that were important to the ancient Egyptians. I'm not sure which meaning of "sites" is intended in List of ancient Egyptian sites since I'm far from an expert on the subject. And since I'm not, I'm not going to claim there's any weight to my opinions; but, I would lean toward keeping the lists separate and cleaning them up with the city/site distinction in mind. Each list could point to the other with a phrase like, "This is a list of archaeological sites in Egypt. For a list of cities founded in the ancient and classical periods, see Cities of ancient Egypt." If, however, List of ancient Egyptian sites does not refer to archaeological sites and just refers to sites important in Egyptian history, the distinction seems less clear. It would be awfully handy if an egyptologist would weigh in!
An example of an entry that may belong on this list but wouldn't on a list of archaeological sites is "Tjeku", which links to Sukkot (place). I googled all three names listed together (including "Tell el Maskhuta") and found sources--that I will in no way vouch for--that link a Biblical city called Sukkot to an Egyptian city or region called "Tjeku" whose location is unknown. I don't know whether or not any credible sources make that link, but there are certainly situations where cities without associated archaeological sites are nonetheless interesting and important. Troy before its rediscovery, for example!
Hello. I'm responding to your note. I'm no Egyptologist, and I haven't edited list of ancient Egyptian sites, but I'm one of the ancient Egypt project's more active members.
List of ancient Egyptian sites doesn't seem to have been created with any clear distinction between archaeological sites and sites that were important to the Egyptians; it list ancient nomes (provinces) as well as archaeological sites. On the other hand, modern divisions of the Memphite necropolis are listed, as are some individual pyramids, and there don't seem to be any ancient cities that we know existed but haven't been located archaeologically, like Thinis or Itjtawy. So I'd say that aside from the nomes, it seems to be a list of archaeological sites and not of ancient Egyptian cities per se. A. Parrot (talk) 19:52, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a list of cities either. Nabta Playa isn't a city. Cities have public buildings, for instance (which is one of the reasons we call Çatalhöyük a settlement and not a city, it has no public buildings). So at the moment I'd say merge, but make sure that everthing in the list of sites is a site, eg no nomes. Dougweller (talk) 19:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If this is a bog-standard merge discussion I would oppose the merger as proposed. I don’t see how LoAES would be improved by dumping the content here into it, and simply deleting this and redirecting there (which might be what the proposal is actually after) creates all kinds of history and attribution problems.
OTOH, Wbm1058 is quite right, this page was hacked out of CotANE, which has a hole where cities of Ancient Egypt should be; if this page doesn’t need to exist independently the most logical thing (I would have thought ) would be to put it back again. Moonraker12 (talk) 16:20, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I transcluded it back again and closed out the merge request. Anyone is still welcome to see how these cities (if the content is accurate) fit into the other article ("sites") and add them as deemed appropriate. Wbm1058 (talk) 21:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This page still exists?? Why? It's just an export from my database of sites that have WP articles, but the coordinates, which would have made this article valuable as an index page that produces a KML, have been removed long ago. Now this article is completely pointless and I had totally forgotten about it. The sites listed here can easily be added to the List of ancient Egyptian sites if they are missing there. Then this article should be made to redirect to List of ancient Egyptian sites. Maybe List of ancient Egyptian sites should be re-structured then. ♆ CUSH ♆21:36, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. I just randomly clicked on Beni Hasan, one of the "Cities of ancient Egypt" in this article which you created, only to find that it isn't a city at all, it's an Ancient Egyptian cemetery site! I think the first step should be to separate out the cemeteries from the cities. Glad to see that you belatedly found this discussion. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:47, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]