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Heath Effects portion needs work - some quantification

Jsusky (talk) 00:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Most in the West realize that all aspects of tobacco are influenced by politics. Wikipedia need not be so influenced. Important principles here include:

"Encyclopedic content must be verifiable."

"Neutral point of view"

The following addresses only the Health Effects section of the entry, wherein the thesis statement is:

"Like other forms of tobacco use, cigar smoking poses a significant health risk depending on dosage."

This statement is so trivial that it is essentially useless.

(like this statement - "commuting to work poses a significantly elevated risk of injury or death")

Further the statement implies, without evidence, that the risks are comparable to that for cigarette consumption.

"The risk of dying from any cause is statistically greater for cigar smokers than for people who have never smoked"

So, what are the statistics? What is the risk, bounded by suitable qualifications and context (inhale/not, cigars consumed/yr, cigar volumes/sizes, etc.)?

"current cigar users have shown a statistically significant, elevated mortality risk for cancers of the mouth, lungs, and larynx and a moderately elevated risk for cancer of the esophagus."

Same question - cite the stats, cite the quantity of elevated risk.

"When cigar smokers don't inhale or smoke few cigars per day, the risks are only slightly above those of never smokers. Risks of lung cancer increase with increasing inhalation and with increasing number of cigars smoked per day, but the effect of inhalation is more powerful than that for number of cigars per day. When 5 or more cigars are smoked per day and there is moderate inhalation, the lung cancer risks of cigar smoking approximate those of a one pack per day cigarette smoker. As the tobacco smoke exposure of the lung in cigar smokers increases to approximate the frequency of smoking and depth of inhalation found in cigarette smokers, the difference in lung cancer risks produced by these two behaviors disappears."

This, at least, is not trivial - but would be improved with some properly qualified figures with context.

All excellent points. I concur. Manxwoman (talk) 19:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

The health section feels biased agianst cigars in tone mostly, maybe it's not? But "Cigar smoking can lead to nicotine addiction and cigarette usage" looks like an absolute lie from my experience. When I switched from around 10 inhaled cigarettes per day to around 10 mini cigars not inhaled per day, this weaned me off nicotine and I gradually reduced to 1 mini cigar per day, without effort. And there is no way I would want to smoke a cigarette again. Some days I will not have any cigars. Middle More Rider (talk) 16:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Do we know the what makes tobacco cause cancer? For example, if readers see that cigars cause cancer then perhaps they'll wonder if cannabis or other smoke-producing products do as well. 71.233.70.210 (talk) 16:42, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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Cuban cigars redirects

I can’t figure out how to fix this from my phone and I’ll forget otherwise — Cuban Cigars redirects here instead of just to Cuban Cigar.

Thanks 2600:1006:B052:CB14:5978:DAF0:5F9B:32C8 (talk) 23:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

No longer the case -- it goes to "Cuban cigar" now. BMJ-pdx (talk) 22:32, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

When was "Churchill" first used?

Does anyone know when the "Churchill" was first used as a size/shape of cigar? Should be of interest, given Churchill's long and varied career. BMJ-pdx (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

According to Mr. Google:

"The size is named for Churchill, but the timing of its origin is disputed. Many say it was created in the Romeo y Julieta factory in the late 1940s, after a visit by Sir Winston himself, who was an avid smoker of cigars and of Romeos in particular. May 7, 2018"

Of course, "Many say" is hardly suitable for Wikipedia. BMJ-pdx (talk) 22:41, 17 July 2022 (UTC)