Talk:Church History (journal)

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Requested move 10 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved no support other than nom for renaming (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 03:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Church History (journal) → Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture – Currently, Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture (the full title of the journal) redirects to Church History (journal). Per WP:NATURALDIS, it can be appropriate to use an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources as a form of natural disambiguation. While the journal is often called by its shortened name, Church History, it is also widely known by its full title, Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture. Also, although this is an article about a periodical rather than an article about a book, WP:SUBTITLE seems instructive here: When the most commonly used name is ambiguous, the full title and subtitle might be suitable to be used as a form of natural disambiguation (see WP:NATURALDIS). Using the subtitle as a form of natural disambiguation will make the article easier to find and link to. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 10:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 15:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and as article creator. St Anselm (talk) 18:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per our writing guide WP:JWG. We omit subtitles from journal titles because they frequently change, and also per WP:COMMONNAME, because subtitles are rarely used when referring to journals. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the box on WP:JWG elaborates, it's a style essay associated with a project, not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community and may not have the Wikipedia-wide consensus that WP:NATURALDIS has as a policy and WP:SUBTITLE has as a guideline (the latter is on a page about books, but the subsection overtly encompasses and other media as well). That's to say, WP:JWG is a useful aid for article naming but might not rise to being a hard and fast universal wiki-wide rule, and not one to which there can't be exceptions. As for name changes, while that may be the case with some periodicals, I haven't found evidence of a different subtitle this journal was more commonly known by, so concern that the article name Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture would be unstable is limited. And there are other articles about journals that use subtitles as natural disambiguation, such as Dialogue: Canadian Philosophical Review, Clinical Psychology: Science and Practice, and Questions: Philosophy for Young People. (I am aware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but think that noting other cases of considered exceptions to WP:JWG is useful for demonstrating that this is a reasonable interpretation of the intersection of the project's essays, guidelines, policies, and needs.) Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 18:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's mostly because there are multiple journals named Dialogue, Questions etc. And also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's only the case for Dialogue; there don't seem to be other Wikipedia articles about journals called Clinical Psychology or Questions (for instance see Question (disambiguation)). Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 01:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Headbomb. --Randykitty (talk) 12:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Headbomb. Graham (talk) 06:09, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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