Talk:Chuchuna

This article was nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination:

Merge, 21 July 2020, see discussion.
keep, 2 January 2020, see discussion.

This page was proposed for deletion by Dlthewave (talk · contribs) on 28 December 2019.

doubt

i agree, it is cast into doubt because there has been no follow up stories. but since the bbc article named a person and an organization, maybe someone who knows russian can try to search for a contact and give a phone call and maybe get some final answer. "Yuriy Malofeyev, vice-president of the Russian association of veterinary anatomists" is what the bbc article said, unfortunately i cant find an association by this name by searching for it in english.-(71.202.181.87 (talk) 21:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

The foot doesn't even look like a primate's foot at all, it looks like a bear's. It even has claws, which AFAIK no primate does. And the X-ray looks exactly like the skeleton of a bear foot. The article almost seems cut off after it mentions the veterinarians--I wonder what the vets really had to say about it? 68.205.68.57 (talk) 21:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since there currently are no sources in the article, adding a link to the aforementioned BBC article here for reference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3175926.stm —Paleo Neonate – 01:45, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My impression is that this would only be enough for a mention at the Yeti article, to which this name Chuchuna could also redirect; it may even be undue for the Yeti article... I will not personally contest the current proposed deletion for this. —Paleo Neonate – 01:50, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that it's been contested by another editor anyway, I assumed that the blue translation tag was the prod one. —Paleo Neonate – 02:06, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Phil Bridger: (from the edit summary: "contest WP:PROD deletion - the Russian Wikipedia article cites at least one reliable source, and more can be found by searching in Cyrillic") Would it be possible to add one or more of those sources that you consider reliable at the bottom of the article in a bibliography? Many thanks, —Paleo Neonate – 02:09, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

name

Tjutjuna is the Dutch transliteration from the Russian. The normal English transliteration would be chuchunaa (it has 2 a-s in Russian). The best source is a small book written by I.S. Gurvich in 1975 in Russian 'Tainstvennyi chuchunaa' (The mysterious chuchunaa). (Moscow: Mysl', 1975). I'll try to summarise for the page, soon --Almasti (talk) 20:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have not found a copy of I.S. Gurvich's 1975 Tainstvennyi chuchunaa but have found three books with a reference (as "Tainstvennyi chuchuna") to "Tainstvennyi chuchuna (istoriia odnogo etnograficheskogo poiska). Moscow: Mysl', 1975":

—Paleo Neonate – 02:00, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Translation or build from scratch?

I attempted a machine translation and copy edit of ru:Chuchuna, the result is User:EricR/Chuchuna. I have doubts about merging this in to the article:

Obviously it would be much better for a Russian speaker to make the translation.
чучуны (chuchuny) and мюлены (myuleny) are russianized transcription of Yakut. The english article should stick to latinized Yakut names. The linguistic aspects are important and it's easy to make errors with everything in Russian.
The paragraph for Gurvich is a particularly bad translation, and that's the most important source.
мюлен (mulen)/мулуөн (muluön) a Yakut "wild man" and chuchunaa (outcast Chukchi) are related and the sources make a connection, but i don't think the "wild man" archetype is presented very well in the article. mulen is given as just another name for Chuchuna.

Better to start from scratch i think, rather than rely on the translation.—eric 16:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your translation is decent and should be merged into the article. The passage from Gurvich you rendered in italics reads: "the Chuchuns (also known as Myulens, that is, wild or bad Chukchi) were originally the coast-based Chukchi". Ghirla^-трёп- 19:40, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]