Talk:Chronic fatigue syndrome outbreaks

Disputed move

With the term ME deleted from the title, title and content no longer match. CFS outbreaks didn't occur until the 1980s. The ME outbreaks were never reclassified as CFS outbreaks, and in fact the CDC does not recognize them as CFS oubreaks at all. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 14:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

If the two are considered functionally the same thing by most people, that's a linguistic hair split and it's sufficient for us to know that they're considered the same thing on wikipedia. So long as all sources have a qualification along the lines of "CFS is sometimes called/also known as/incorrectly known as ME" or vice-versa, that's good enough to avoid WP:OR. Since the research and study is in flux, we don't have an orthodox position to start from. Though you, Guido, may consider the two to be different, I think most sources disagree with you or at least I've yet to see a pubmed article that says they're different. They're treated as the same thing until an article shows up with an abstract that says "once considered the same condition, ME and CFS are now widely regarded as different conditions". WLU (t) (c) ^{(rules - simple rules)} 18:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

That's turning the world inside out. If you claim two things are the same, despite completely different definitions, then it's up to you to provide evidence. With both the WHO and the CDC viewing them as different diagnoses, I don't see that happening. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 18:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The Patarca-Montero book doesn't call them ME or CFS outbreaks it says they were outbreaks of symptoms of chronic fatigue illnesses and they were given many different names then and now, today those symptoms might be called CFS or in some Commonwealth and other countries ME/CFS. RetroS1mone talk 01:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

References

Several of the references in this article are incomplete (the year of publication is missing). Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 00:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Self publication

The book by Hyde is published by Hyde's foundation and press. It is the only book publisehd by Hyde's foundation and press. Its hypothesis on communicable ME is a fringe view. Doesn't matter who else put stuff in this book it is still self publication and it is not a reliable source for Wikipedia. Please stop adding unreliable sources. RetroS1mone talk 23:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

It is not a self-publication, it is not a book by Hyde, it is not his foundation, it is not the only publication of the Nightingale Research Foundation, and by Wikipedia policy it is fully reliable anyway because it is cited more often than any other book. You can't get much more reliable than this one. I'll be waiting a few days for you to come to your senses and then I'll put the references back in. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 00:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Note discussion - Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Nightingale_Research_Foundation. WLU (t) (c) ^{(rules - simple rules)} 01:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

So Hyde didn't start Nightingale Researching Foundation, he doesn't run it, Nightingale Press isn't part of the foundation, they publish stuff every day and their books get cited more then anyone's. And if you cite YouTube and IMBD enough it becomes reliable sources. Wow. Is that how it works at the Guidopedia? wink, RetroS1mone talk 03:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Re-organize??

I am thinking the list of so many different sections for every outbreak should be made in text. Does anyone agree with me. The source also does not give much information about most so I propose, focus at the 1934 and 1955 hospital outbreaks, those are most notable and the source talks about them most so we can expand them. We can list the others. OK? RetroS1mone talk 02:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

tags removed and merge suggestions

I removed tags added by Guido den Broeder. Also, this article should be moved to History of chronic fatigue syndrome. The title is inaccurate any way bc no one knows, are these outbreaks chronic fatigue syndrome, are they the same thing, were they different diseases. It is better having them all in History not like a list. RetroS1mone talk 11:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I merged. RetroS1mone talk 11:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The merge makes sense, if it lasts a month or so, I'd suggest merging this talk page into an archive as well. WLU (t) (c) ^{(rules - simple rules)} 11:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Naturally, this solves all issues that I had with this article. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 09:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)