Talk:Christopher Trapani

Conflict of interest

At least one major contributor to this article appears to have a close personal or professional connection to the topic, and thus to have a conflict of interest. Conflict-of-interest editors are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes on the talk page (i.e., here). You can attract the attention of other editors by putting {{request edit}} (exactly so, with the curly parentheses) at the beginning of your request, or by clicking the link on the lowest yellow notice above. Requests that are not supported by independent reliable sources are unlikely to be accepted.

Please also note that our Terms of Use state that "you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation." An editor who contributes as part of his or her paid employment is required to disclose that fact. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:35, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@Longhair: Hello: As the owner of the now blocked UserName USCComp, I made changes last weekend to update the Wikipedia entries for some of our new faculty. I now understand this was a conflict of interest. All my edits made on Sept. 3 2021 have been removed from this article (should I do the same for others I changed which were not flagged?). The article appears as it was before I changed it. I will not edit again. You can consider this conflict of interest resolved. Thank you.68.181.17.204 (talk) 21:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

@68.181.17.204: Thank you for your message, however, you should not be editing via an ip address while your previous account is blocked. See WP:BLOCKEVASION. I suggest you go back to your blocked account and request an unblock if you wish to continue editing. -- Longhair\^talk 21:21, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

@Longhair: My attempt to have this username unblocked was denied. My edits have been reverted one month ago. I also asked the editor who supplied a source to my faculty edit at Moor Mother to do the same here, so now the USC affiliation has now been independently added to Prof. Trapani's page. Could I also ask that the COI template be considered to be removed? Thank you68.181.17.61 (talk) 22:00, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 19 August 2018

1.) respect content and formatting guidelines of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Composers 2.) insert list of works below 3.) avoid editorial content

Extended content

==Selected works== Orchestral Rust and Stardust (2015) for orchestra Spinning in Infinity (2014) for orchestra and electronics Westering (2010) for hexaphonic guitar and chamber orchestra The Geography of Cities on Water (2009) for orchestra Canaries in the Morning, Balloons at Night (2004) for orchestra North (2003) for orchestra Large Ensemble Stellazione (2018) for 10 players Creux (2018) for 12 players and electronics PolychROME (2017) for 10 players Convergence Lines (2013) for 10 players and electronics Widening Circles (2012) for 8 players and electronics Anyplace Else (2013) for 10 players Cognitive Consonance (2010) for qanûn, hexaphonic electric guitar, 8 players, and electronics Üsküdar (2008) for 16 players Sparrow Episodes (2006) for 16 players Sing Into My Mouth (2005) for 18 players Chamber Shotgun Shoegaze (2017) for four electric guitars and electronics Isolario: Book of Known Islands (2015) for string quartet and electronics Alcohol and Algebra (2015) for two steel-stringed guitars Writing Against Time (2014) for two pianos and two percussionists Visions and Revisions (2013) for string quartet Passing Through, Staying Put (2011) for violin, cello, and piano Leaving Lute (2011) for flute, viola, and harp don't know what alright even means (2009) for clarinet, harp, piano, viola, cello, and bass —N'T GO ANY FURTHER (2007) for bass clarinet, tenor saxophone, violin, viola, and cello Half of Me is Ocean, Half of Me is Sky (Sea Surface Full of Clouds) (2003/4) for flute, clarinet, violin, viola, cello, bass, and piano Blues Wrapped Around My Head (2004) for clarinet quartet (3 B flat clarinets and one bass clarinet) Sunflower Suite (2003) for flute, clarinet, violin, cello, piano, and percussion History by Moonlight (2002) for clarinet, violin, and piano Vocal End Words (2017) for six voices and electronics Hafenlieder (2016) for soprano, flute, and accordion Waterlines (2005/2012) for voice, 8 players, and electronics Past All Deceiving: Cavafy Songs (2012) for soprano, flute, clarinet, string quartet, and piano Lines Written for Gene Kelly to Dance to (1998) for soprano and piano Choral O now the drenched land wakes (2006) for double choir a cappella The sea is awash with roses (2000) for men's choir a cappella Solo Single Coil (2018) for electric guitar Tesserae (2017/8) for viola d'amore and electronics Horizontal Drift (2016) for quarter-tone guitar and electronics Lost Time Triptych (2016) for piano scordatura The Silence of a Falling Star Lights Up a Purple Sky (2005) for piano Multimedia Difficult Places (2015) for 23 players, electronics, and video Five Out of Six (2012) for 6 players, electronics, and video Arrangements Two Folksong Distortions (2015) for voice, violin, guitar, and electronics Discography 2018 Waterlines, New Focus Recordings (NCR 200) Selected awards and fellowships 2016 Rome Prize, The American Academy in Rome, Italy 2015 Charles Ives Prize (Charles Ives Scholarship), American Academy of Arts and Letters 2015 Chamber Music America Commission 2007 Fulbright Grant References

Todandrews (talk) 17:16, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Todandrews, I'm going to leave it to someone else to review this request. Meanwhile, some comments: it's questionable whether a bio on the website of an institution with which Trapani has a close connection – IRCAM – can be considered independent; was there no fully independent coverage of these works when they were published? About the CD: we don't usually mention things before they happen, per WP:CRYSTAL. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:47, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Justlettersandnumbers, and would additionally ask why this information would need to be recreated here when this list is already available on the IRCAM website (per WP:NOTMIRROR). Wouldn't a link to IRCAM in an External links section be enough to offer readers access to the information?  spintendo  18:33, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Spintendo, do you have any views on the IRCAM source – specifically, whether it can be considered independent? It has useful information about this person (not the list of compositions), but I have hesitated to use it because of his close connection to the centre. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:45, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers IRCAM, a division of the Centre Pompidou, is a French public institution, and the BRAHMS database is one of the most comprehensive and impartial compendiums of composer biographies and lists of works. Performance history can be referenced for most individual works as well. With full desire for transparency and combatting COI, I would nevertheless like to publish a page which conforms to the standards of WikiProject_Composers, which in most cases includes biography in a relatively uniform format, followed by a list of works. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_C._Young Todandrews (talk) 22:31, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: @Todandrews: Based on Todandrews response I'd say it appears independent, although it could be argued that a French public institution website would have as one of its goals the promotion of French artists (the artist is not French, but we dont know which label he is sold under in France and Europe), making the website's goals and the artists goals somewhat inter-related. That's why I suggested placing it in the External links section. That section is often the place for websites which are partial to an article's subject.  spintendo  18:51, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

A perusal of Trapani's work on Discogs shows 3 releases on 3 different labels. IRCOM's (or is it IRCAM?) information appears to be so much more complete than it is anywhere else, which makes me wonder how it is that their researchers are so much more thorough than other databases (open "wiki-style" or not). IRCAM/IRCOM appears also to be not just a database, but also a recording studio. With their hands in so many projects its hard to know where the role of database archivist ends and record label begins. I still think the external links section is the best place for this.  spintendo  19:10, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

@Spintendo:Your concerns are noted, but the BRAHMS database, an enormous and respected project (though internal, not open-source) has a scope that far exceeds IRCAM's own financial interests. As a publicly-financed institution, IRCAM operates on a government budget and does not aim to turn any profit. It is foremost a research institution, with an artistic component and occasional public events. Only a small percentage of the works in its database were created at IRCAM (they are tagged as such). It is not exhaustive, nor could it be, but it is substantial and most certainly independent. It is also not very regularly updated, so the list of works displayed there is already out of date. Ideally, the goal is to combine this outdated list and separate references for more recent pieces to create a list of works here. I am a new editor, and I am seeking in good faith to understand why many other composer wikipedia pages contain lists of works (see the page cited above as an example) that do not draw controversy, and how to recreate the same here.Todandrews (talk) 20:30, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Based on what you've said about this website, I wouldn't see any problems with giving this as a link in an External links section. The reason why this information would be best featured in an EL section rather than posting it here in the article is due to the length of the article itself, which is only 5 sentences long. Adding a large table of their works would be alright if the article itself were of a larger size; in this way, the article's information given in prose would balance out any significant-sized table-emplaced information. The example you've given above has 3 times the amount of information delivered in prose than does this article.  spintendo  08:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Notes

   External links section added  

• The subject's website and the Ircam website were both added to this section. The Ircam website does not link to any commerce sites, so this should be OKAY as a listing of works. If other editors disagree with this addition, please feel free to revert or notify me and I'll self revert. Thank you!  spintendo  20:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: I have tried to edit the page to reflect the precise language used for the prizes and awards mentioned therein. These are referenced in multiple sources: Gaudeamus Prize, not Gaudeamus Award. Rome Prize, not Luciano Berio award (that wording appears nowhere). Can I ask why these changes are being reverted? Thank you.Todandrews (talk) 15:37, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Todandrews, for the first see, for example, this search; for the second, please read the reference provided. Just a reminder, since you seem not to have fully taken in the message I left on your talk-page, or indeed the one I left higher up this page: [[WP:COI|conflict-of-interest editors are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly; in practice, that "discouragement" often takes the form of reversion of any such edits. You are welcome – within reason – to request changes here on this page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers Clearly the search you cited for "Gaudeamus Award" conflicts with the name of the prize in the actual sources cited. Regarding the Rome Prize, I would request the entry read more accurately "receiving the Luciano Berio Rome Prize for a project titled Recording Islands, Transcribing Mosaics." Correcting this kind of terminology without changing content does not seem transgressive or promotional, but your point is taken.Todandrews (talk) 19:15, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

list of works

I believe the article should include a list of works and solicit support for this. I cannot find another composer's biography on Wikipedia that does not feature one. This is simply the norm of composer biographies from all encyclopedia sources and should be respected, conforming to other Wikipedia entries. Mr. Trapani's website is listed as a confirmed source above on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.123.51.126 (talk) 17:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)