Talk:Christmas Island flying fox
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Reviewer: Enwebb (talk · contribs) 03:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Couldn't resist this review :)
Content
[edit]- Pretty standard for a description of a bat to include forearm length
- I can't seem to find it (but I'm sure it exists somewhere), all I can find is the forearm measurements for juveniles which is already in the article User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 05:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- This paper has adult forearm measurements in table 2. Enwebb (talk) 15:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- I can't seem to find it (but I'm sure it exists somewhere), all I can find is the forearm measurements for juveniles which is already in the article User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 05:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- "Unlike other bats, it is mainly active in the daytime (diurnal)." should be most other bats, as a few others are diurnal (this is the phrasing in the lead and the body)
- This would be better as "many" or "most" other flying foxes: "Like other flying foxes, gestation time is about five months, and the pup is weaned after four months". The Indian flying fox doesn't wean its young until five months, for example.
- "Individuals forage across the tropical island" this can probably be cut without losing anything substantial
- A lot of animals on Christmas Island mainly forage in certain areas rather than all of the island, like the Christmas imperial pigeon which favors the inland plateau region User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 05:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hm, perhaps rephrased then? My understanding of this sentence is that the Christmas Island flying fox forages on Christmas Island, which is a tropical island. If you're intending to say the habitat it uses on the island, that could be clearer. Enwebb (talk) 15:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- removed "tropical" User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 20:27, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hm, perhaps rephrased then? My understanding of this sentence is that the Christmas Island flying fox forages on Christmas Island, which is a tropical island. If you're intending to say the habitat it uses on the island, that could be clearer. Enwebb (talk) 15:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- A lot of animals on Christmas Island mainly forage in certain areas rather than all of the island, like the Christmas imperial pigeon which favors the inland plateau region User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 05:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Minor things
[edit]- Not sure if you need "as the name suggests" in the opening sentence
- I thought it'd be weird to just have "The Christmas Island flying fox is a flying fox from Christmas Island" as the first sentence User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 05:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- The meaning of this sentence is unclear to me: "Birth rates are highest from December to February, but especially in February, during the wet season, though pups can be born throughout the year"
- "...and was described by the first settlers as very common" can a time be included for reference? Probably not common knowledge to many when Christmas Island was first settled
- I see this date is included later in the article, but would be good to either have the year at both occurrences or just the first
- "Roosts continued to decline by 39% between 2006 and 2012" it's not the roosts that are declining in number, but rather individuals
- There's some minor sandwiching of text by images
I don't imagine I'll have too much more to say, but we can start there. Enwebb (talk) 03:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- "Current management action for the flying fox is a $500,000 AUD (~$342,000 USD) project eradicating cats, rats, and ants on the island" I think this would be better stated "As of x year, management actions include...." instead of "current". Enwebb (talk) 15:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Passing
[edit]Sorry for the delay, busy with holidays! Enwebb (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
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- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:35, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- ... that the Christmas Island flying fox (pictured) matures slower than nearly all other bats? Source: "In fact, the age at maturation for P. natalis is one of oldest among all Chiroptera species"
- ALT1:
... that the Christmas Island flying fox (pictured) is one of only two fruit-eaters on Christmas Island?Source: "Such is the case for this sub-species on Christmas Island, where there are no other extant bats, the only other vertebrate frugivore is the Christmas Island imperial pigeon Ducula whartoni, and there are no other specialised vertebrate pollinators"
- ALT1:
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bessie S. McColgin
- Comment: Hoping for a Christmas slot
Improved to Good Article status by Dunkleosteus77 (talk). Nominated by Enwebb (talk) at 14:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC).
- For ALT1, instead of "vertebrate frugivores," we can say something a bit more friendly like "fruit-eaters" User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 17:01, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Sure. Hope you don't mind I went ahead and nominated. I wasn't sure if you would and the window is closing soon. Enwebb (talk) 17:07, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
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- Full review needed by independent reviewer. Dunkleosteus77, I have hatted your review: as the primary author, you are not eligible to review the article at DYK, which must be done by someone independent. I am quoting your comment from it—
I'd say ALT1 is good
—since it's useful to have your opinion on whether you like the hooks proposed by the nominator and feel they accurately reflect what's in the article. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Interestin GA, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obviou. The image is licensed, not showing not too much of the animal in small size, and if you want it for Christmas, tradition will call for a different image. So Christmas or image may be the question. In the article, I see a lot of "sandwiched" text. No reason not to approve, but pewrhaps think about smaller pic sizes, galleries, whatever. I find the original hook more interesting, so striking the other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook fact needs to be qualified in the article and the hook. The source says its maturation rate is slower than any known bat in its species, not of any known bat. Yoninah (talk) 14:47, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- Yoninah, I'm afraid I don't understand you. As far as I can tell, the hook and the article are accurately representing the source material. Can you try phrasing your concern in another way?
- The article says the maturation rate is
one of the slowest maturation times of any bat
. The hook say that itmatures slower than nearly all other bats
. The source says it matures more slowly "than any other bat in its species". There are a lot of species out there. Yoninah (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- The source says "In fact, the age at maturation for P. natalis is one of oldest among all Chiroptera species", Chiroptera, of course, being another word for bat. Again, I do not see the discrepancy. Enwebb (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- No, the source says:
Growth and maturation are even slower in P. natalis than in the few other Pteropus species studied to date.
Looking at our Pteropus article, Pteropus is another name for flying fox or fruit bat. It is not another name for bat. Yoninah (talk) 18:32, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- It is not an either/or situation. Please open the source and search for the word "oldest" and you will find the quote I've provided twice now. I'm well aware of the genus Pteropus, having largely written the article you just linked to. Of course it is one of the slowest to mature in its genus if it is one of the slowest to mature of all bats. Enwebb (talk) 18:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- OK, it's in that source but not in the other one. Hope no one notices at ERRORS. Yoninah (talk) 23:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- No, the source says:
- The article says the maturation rate is
- Interestin GA, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obviou. The image is licensed, not showing not too much of the animal in small size, and if you want it for Christmas, tradition will call for a different image. So Christmas or image may be the question. In the article, I see a lot of "sandwiched" text. No reason not to approve, but pewrhaps think about smaller pic sizes, galleries, whatever. I find the original hook more interesting, so striking the other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
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