Talk:Christians, awake, salute the happy morn

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the tune of the hymn "Christians, awake, salute the happy morn" was first published as a setting for a paraphrase of Psalm 50 by Isaac Watts? Source: given in article
  • ALT1:... that the hymn "Christians, awake, salute the happy morn" is based on a poem by John Byrom, allegedly originally presented to his daughter? Source: Benson, 1924, "The title of the manuscript does show that Byrom gave it to his daughter. But that he wrote it for her especially is less evident, because the words “for Dolly” are added in pencil, as though they were an afterthought."
  • ALT2:... that the hymn "Christians, awake, salute the happy morn" first become popular as an outdoors carol? Source: in article

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William Lyon Mackenzie
• Comment: Blame me for being entirely out of season. If you're looking for a date for this then I'd suggest March 25 (Annunciation - the link with Christmas being at least present in some way) or well April 4 (Easter, if we want to play a joke on people and confuse them with which "happy morn" this is referring to... [in which case ALT2 might be unsuitable]) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Created by RandomCanadian (talk). Self-nominated at 01:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC).

Interesting hymn history, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. - Sorry, I'm not yet happy with the hooks. The first says nothing to people who don't know what Psalm 50 and Watts refer to. The second is my idea, but I don't like "allegedly", and would mention "Dolly", as the name is part of the dedication. What is an outdoors carol? Please rephrase ALT1. - I think Easter 4 April is the best option, quirky ;) ... and also because I have already one in the pipeline for the other date. We could also run it any day after Easter, - better not during Lent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Easter's fine with me (being aware of my awkward timing, I was trying to suggest some semi-logical dates). "Allegedly" is because Benson puts some doubt into this, per the quote I've given.

ALT1a: ... that the hymn "Christians, awake, salute the happy morn" is based on a poem by John Byrom originally presented "for [his daughter] Dolly"?

ALT3: ... that the hymn "Christians, awake, salute the happy morn", based on a poem by John Byrom originally presented "for Dolly", was first published in combination with its modern melody by its composer? (or ..."to his daughter" - this one, once you remove the wikimarkup, is just shy of 200 characters, hence not much space for more). Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Awake now, happy morn I hope ;) - Thank you. The shorter, the better, and once we are mysterious about the occasion, we could be also about the woman. Having been told again and again how little we should bother our general readership with facts, I prefer ALT1a without daughter, for a date Easter or later. How is this

ALT1b: ... that "Christians, awake, salute the happy morn" is a hymn based on a poem that John Byrom first presented "For Dolly"?

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)