Talk:Chris Patrick (ice hockey)

Accidental edit conflict

@Buffalkill, my bad - decided to flesh things out and didn't realize you were working on it at the same time! Feel free to add anything from your draft, and sorry for the misunderstanding. Thanks for the effort, as well! The Kip ^(contribs) 00:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Hey man im josh talk 11:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Chris Patrick is the seventh member of his family to win the Stanley Cup?
• ALT1: ...that Chris Patrick is one of seven Stanley Cup champions within his family?

• Source: The Washington Post - "So there was the sixth Patrick with his name on the Cup. But go down to the third line, which begins: 'Christopher Patrick . . .' That’s the seventh Patrick with his name on the Cup."

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Created by The Kip (talk) and Buffalkill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

The Kip ^(contribs) 00:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC).

• I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

• @BeanieFan11 and The Kip: This doesn't feel quite as accurate as it could/should be. Based on the article, Craig Patrick#Patrick family history, and Chris's article, both Chris and his father, Dick Patrick, would be tied for being the sixth to win the cup. PS. Someone should really make an article for the Patrick family. Four hall of famers, even more who played professionally, and several of them had high ranking front office roles (and ownership). Seems pretty clear there's enough SIGCOV from just a little bit of Googling. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Hey man im josh: I suppose so, guess it’s more a technicality with Dick’s name being before Chris’ - I’m just going by what WaPo said. Agree on the Patrick family article however, was a little surprised there wasn’t already one. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

  @The Kip: Perhaps I'm missing something, but the article basically just says that Dick's name is a couple rows above Christopher's. In the context of the hook, it implies something a bit different. I think there's great potential for a hook here, but I think it needs a slight tweak of some kind. Maybe something like... ALT1: ... that Chris Patrick is the seventh member of his family to have his name engraved on the Stanley Cup? Even then though, nothing states that he was the seventh, instead his name could have been etched before his father's. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Hey man im josh: The full passage reads:

Now, nearly seven months after the Capitals won, the top line of the Cup’s newest panel reads: “Ted Leonsis Dick Patrick Brian MacLellan.” “He deserves the majority to all the credit for us winning a Stanley Cup,” Leonsis said. “I promised him that he deserved the Stanley Cup more than anyone, because he’s been at this for his whole life and career — and he has his family. I didn’t want him to go to any more family reunions and be the only Patrick without his name on the Cup.” So there was the sixth Patrick with his name on the Cup. But go down to the third line, which begins: “Christopher Patrick . . .” That’s the seventh Patrick with his name on the Cup. They span four generations. And none of them had to scratch their names on it with a needle. They earned it. Quietly, they earned it.

Hence the distinction between Dick as the sixth and Chris as the seventh - it's more how Svrluga framed it than anything else. I suppose it's somewhat pedantic/a technicality (whether due to actual order on the Cup, seniority with the org, seniority in age, etc), and I'm not opposed to the alt if you feel it's a better fit. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@The Kip: Ok good, so I was looking at the right spot. The way they described it makes it sound one way, and they're not wrong, but the hook itself does mislead readers a bit. I actually don't even like the alt1 I proposed now for the same reason. Again, there's great and very interesting potential here, I just think the wording is problematic, even if it does match what the source is saying. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: How about this:

Did you know... that Chris Patrick is one of seven Stanley Cup champions within his family? The Kip ^(contribs) 21:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@The Kip: I'd happily support that hook. But perhaps it'd make sense to save that for a Patrick family article? Your call of course, but I just can't get over how that's not an article already. It deserves to be GA at least. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: Feel like there's not much else interesting for a hook from Chris' article, though, while there's quite a bit that could hypothetically be pulled from a Patrick family article - something about their HHOFers, coaches, GMs, etc. I'll go ahead and put my proposed hook as an alt. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)