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Requested move 29 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Chornobaivka. (non-admin closure) _signed,511KeV ^(talk) 09:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chornobayivka → Chornobaivka – "Chornobaivka" gets me 52,300 Google results while "Chornobayivka" gets me 31,500 (results vary between countries). Chornobaivka gives me 13 Google Scholar results [1] while Chornobayivka only 3 [2]. Furthermore, a lot of RS are using this name, notably including Ukraine's state news agency Ukrinform ([3]). It appears that "Chornobaivka" is currently the most common name, so proposing move per WP:COMMONNAME. Super Ψ Dro 18:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grammatically correct is Chornobayivka. Also, that is etymologically correct because this word is made up of two separate words: Chorno (means black in Ukrainian) and Bay (Mister or Landlord in Turkish). Chornobay is a common Cossack surname. Tsans2 (talk) 21:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No it is not. This name does not have English grammar, and its deep etymology doesn’t affect the English spelling. It is romanized from Ukrainian. The surname can be romanized Chornobay, but also Chornobai, Chornobaĭ, or Čornobaj according to different established systems. —Michael Z. 23:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per WP:COMMONNAME: Google Advanced Book Search 78 to 19; Google Scholar 9 to 3. Per WP:UKR and the Ukrainian system, the romanized spelling is Chornobaivka. This move will also likely affect Battle of Chornobayivka . —Michael Z. 23:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME and recent precedent with Kiev/Kyiv. Buttons0603 (talk) 09:00, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Chornobaivka" actually gets 39k results and 36k, so its about equal, and in some cases the same site uses both (ie Ukrinform). The proper Ukrainian name in English is "Chornobayivka," with the current name looking like a typo or simplification. User Buttons above cited the Kiev/Kyiv example but that appears to be an incorrect analogy, since neither proposed is Russian (Chernobyevka). I think this needs further evaluation.

CNN, AP, Interfax Ukraine, Telegraph, Euronews, Newsweek, The Independent, The Times, Kyiv Independent, Booking.com, and RFERL use "Chornobayivka". On the other hand, Google Maps uses the incorrect 'baivka' name. Given the 'google results' are a tie we should go with WP:COMMON which follows the editorial standard from major English publications like those (which is what happened with Kyiv/Kiev, the common use in publications indicated the time to change). --BLKFTR (tlk2meh) 22:02, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]