Talk:Chord (music)/Archive 2

Chords on Wikipedia (pitch-class intervals!)

This relates not just to this page but to all the assorted chord pages on Wikipedia. When I first was learning about more exotic chords, I'm sure I can remember each chord being defined not just using traditional terminology (major triad = root, major third, perfect fifth) but using ordered pitch-class intervals (major triad = {0, 4, 7}). i.e., simply define your root as '0' and count the number of semitones up from there (...4, 7). It clicked with me and helped my understanding of chords.

But sometime between then and now that has been removed from every chord page. I think that's a mistake. I can imagine the argument that won the day was something like 'we don't need this, it's esoteric music theory'. But it's very easy to grasp. For readers who haven't come to grips with music jargon yet (and if they're consulting the wiki to learn these concepts that's pretty likely) it's a very intuitive starting point.

It certainly didn't hurt to have it in there. It helped me understand, it might help others. 141.168.250.245 (talk) 03:43, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How about creating an overview table of all mentioned chords on this page, with columns just the chromatic scale. The first few header rows would have the classical interval names (minor/major third, perfect fifth. etc) and abbreviations (m3/M3, P5), a further row could have the number of semitones from the root (not pitch class in view of 9ths etc). After that each row would have the name, the used symbols and for each note in it a cross in the corresponding columns. For example like (more to be added and perhaps some reordering of rows would make of clearer):

Chord			Interval	P1	m2	M2	m3	M3	P4	TT	P5	m6	M6	m7	M7
			Interval	d2	A1	d3	A2	d4	A3	d5/A4	d6	A5	d7	A6	d8
			Semitones	0	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11
Short	Long	Name	Note in C	C	C♯ D♭	D	D♯ E♭	E	F	F♯ G♭	G	G♯ A♭	A	A♯ B♭	B
C		Major triad		P1				M3			P5
C⁶ CM⁶	Cmaj6	Major sixth chord		P1				M3			P5		M6
C⁷	Cdom7	Dominant seventh chord		P1				M3			P5			m7
CM⁷	Cmaj⁷	Major seventh chord		P1				M3			P5				M7
C+	Caug	Augmented triad		P1				M3				A5
C+⁷	Caug⁷	Augmented seventh chord		P1				M3				A5			M7
Cm	Cmin	Minor triad		P1			m3				P5
Cm⁶	Cmin⁶	Minor sixth chord		P1			m3				P5		M6
Cm⁷	Cmin⁷	Minor seventh chord		P1			m3				P5			m7
Cm^M7 Cm/M7 Cm(M7)	Cmin^maj7 Cmin/maj7 Cmin(maj7)	Minor-major seventh chord		P1			m3				P5				M7
C^o	Cdim	Diminished triad		P1			m3			d5
C^o⁷	Cdim⁷	Diminished seventh chord		P1			m3			d5			d7
C^ø C^ø⁷		Half-diminished seventh chord		P1			m3			d5				m7

−Woodstone (talk) 15:04, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I like it! I think that's a neat and elegant solution that should hopefully please everyone.141.168.250.245 (talk) 03:36, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I polished and reordered the table to make it more informative. What do others think? Can we replace many of the existing tables with (fragments) of this one? −Woodstone (talk) 07:16, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discordant

"A chord, in music, is any harmonic set of pitches consisting of two or more (usually three or more) notes (also called "pitches") that are heard as if sounding simultaneously.[1][2] " Thus, a jangle of discordant noise (not an intentionally different atonal set) is also a chord? Or should our definition /description include Tomy...'s idea that it is desired/pleasing/intentional? Kdammers (talk) 09:35, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just Tunings

In the tables of the different chords and their variations just intonation tunings could be added, those are avaiable in most dedicated chord pages but not all of them have one. 207.138.38.91 (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]