Talk:Choke-out

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Good article, glad it exists. I think the tone might be a little off for wikipedia though. I reads like a self-help book or something, especially the conclusion.

Flat ECG?

"However, there are several studies that showed choking out will result in a few seconds of flat line ECG for a few seconds at least in half of the subjects [9]. This might suggest that choking out or syncope is not as safe as it was assumed to be previously"

Even if it were true it would only suggest that heart temporary stops in half of the subjects during choke-outs, but there is nothing in [9] about heart and ECG, they talk about EEG, which is totally different thing :).

Everything in the part "Danger" should be rewritten. The sources about the adolescent's choking game can't be considered authoritative in the article mostly about sportive choke-outs performed by adults under good supervision.

128.68.74.15 (talk) 01:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

The study mentions ECG but only in that it is used to exclude people with heart conditions from participating in the study. Agree 100% otherwise. SouljaXL (talk) 01:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Think dangers and effects topics should be removed.

Entirety of danger and effects should be removed or rewritten. Source 9 which basically the entirity : "Syncope: A videometric analysis of 56 episodes of transient cerebral hypoxia" is a study about loss of loss of consciousness from "..a sequence of 20 seconds of hyperventilation while squatting, fast rising to their feet, and finally a 10-second Valsalva maneuver with a forced expiration against the closed larynx. This procedure is known to lower cerebral perfusion rapidly by combining the effects of hypocarbic cerebral vasoconstriction, orthostasis, and a decreased venous return to the heart, which reduces cardiac output". Considering there is not even consensus (my understanding) on how a blood choke causes loss consciousness I don't know how you can use results from that study to speculate about what may be a very different phenomenon. At least it should be mentioned that the syncope is induced in completely different ways.

Also agree with previous commentor about [11] and that it shouldn't be used since it is an editorial that is advocating against choking games and self choking for children. Qoute direct from source [11]: "The real danger is when the person is alone and upon unconsciousness there is no one to release the pressure, but instead the body weight continues to tighten the ligature resulting in death by suffocation or strangulation." Basically completely contradicting the use of this source to apply to controlled sport. And this article is cited in following: "Some argue that with thousands of tournaments since the sport of Judo began in 1882, hundreds of thousands of chokes have been applied, and the probability of hundreds if not thousands of choke-outs, with no reported deaths due to chokes, the chances of asystole are slim. It might be true that no direct deaths have been reported as a result of chokes, but there are numerous reports of these chokes turning out to be strokes, leaving the subject with permanent brain damage or possibly more elaborate, long-term effects " Which I find deceptive or misleading since you'd think that 11 would be information about stroke victims in Judo or other grappling sports, but its from an editorial about adolescents doing breath games.

Don't really know how editing works on wikipedia so won't edit, but someone that knows should look at it. SouljaXL (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)