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Trying to define the Apache group of bands called "Chiricahua" is difficult for several reasons. The names of the bands and their general location has changed over the last 500 years. Other Native and non-Native Americans had something to do with this fact. Groups with an European ancestry tended to think of these bands as a "country/state" kind of organization they were familiar with, rather than a group defined by customs and alliances of it's bands and sub-bands. History tends to be re-told by the living with their own perspectives.

I rewrote the introduction on this page to keep it simple. Rcollman (talk) 12:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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With all due respect to every contributor to this page, it is very confusing. I appreciate that the band name, leader of the band or leader of the alliance of bands is important to some people. For me, the shifting alliances of sub-bands over time, is part of what makes the these people who they are. Outsiders would label an alliance and then 30 years later, would have to come up with another name for a slightly different alliance. The bands or their individual members were not confused about who they were or who they were aligned with at any given time.

My suggestions: the "history" is easier to read because it follows a time line. I think the individual biographies are interesting. Both sections probably need some sort of general statement that qualifies band names as being more or less correct for that point in time. I would like to see kinship and alternative names stated in a consistent manner. I suggest deleting the brackets that indicate a page link when none exist. While I know a little about 19th century history in the Southwest, I am not bold enough to suggest content changes Rcollman (talk) 12:48, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Some detail but missing sections, could use more writeup. Skookum1 - 10 May, 06 There needs to be more of an overview of the Chiricahua. They were semi nomadic. They were organized into bands, which were composed of sub groups of extended families. There were complex connections via marriage and proximity between bands, sub groups and other Athabaskan speakers. Bands and their subgroups did not "claim" specific land in the European sense when dealing with each other. They did claim the land when dealing with those outside of their band/subgroup (for example, Whites and Navajo). It is complex for an outsider to understand. In my opinion of course.Rcollman (talk) 01:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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There's an article about Loco

Hi, so no need to redlink him anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loco_(Apache) T 85.166.162.64 (talk) 01:03, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 01:11, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]