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I was searching for this page, and could not find it with the keywords "trap door snail." I think it should maybe be indexed under "trap door" as well as "trapdoor." I do not know how to do this. Anybody? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.197.8.45 (talk) 17:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have done that now. Invertzoo (talk) 13:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Cipangopaludina malleata here

^[discuss] The Viviparus malleatus page redirects to the Cipangopaludina malleata page, which identifies the snail as a (different) species. However, that assessment conflicts with our page here (Chinese mystery snail) which lists that name as synonym under the {{taxobox}}. Provided the synonymity is correct, the merging seems warranted.--Kiyoweap (talk) 01:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WoRMS recognizes both C. malleata and C. chinensis. ITIS recognizes C. chinensis malleata as a subspecies. IUCN notes that species limits of C. chinensis are poorly defined. Gastropods generally follow WoRMS, so I think separate articles should be retained (but the synonym list will need to be updated). Plantdrew (talk) 18:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Plantdrew: Thanks for the info. Well if following WoRMs is the convention I'm fine by it (for bookkeeping purposes anyway).

But you seem to suggest it is just a matter of delete/moving the subspecies from the taxobox synonyms list here, and that will fix everything, and that is not the case.

Because the article mention "Japanese variety" which, though it fails to be clear, is probably referring what is known as marutanishi in Japanese, and treated as a subspecies by various Japanese scholars: either as "C. chinensis malleata" (item 20 of the table in this 1971 paper[1]) or as "C. chinensis laeta" (this 2012 paper[2]).

It is not just the only portion that needs to be dealt with. There is also the Shiba N. paper appended at the end, which refers to marutanishi.--Kiyoweap (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - As of 2021, MolluscaBase (/WoRMS) still considers them separate species. —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 22:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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