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Scientific name needs redirect

Please notice that the scientific name of this species, Andrias davidianus, needs a redirect page to the article. 212.10.85.39 (talk) 19:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks for the tip. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 22:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

__________ Needs section on use as food and relationship with conservation status. Also missing inline citations. Sinavar (talk) 17:15, 27 October 2012 (UTC)Sinavar[reply]

the chinese giant slamander is critically endangered and in most lands extinct!

I would like to see a section on culinary uses! 216.183.109.132 (talk) 04:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No bold for Latin name

Hi Shrumster, Per your undoing of my edit on 17 January 2009. It is not conventional to have the scientific name in bold after the title of the article unless there is no common name. (See Opheodrys vernalis, Hellbender, Lissemys punctata, etc.) I'm not up for an editing battle, but with a very common and unique English name for this animal, the Latin shouldn't be in bold. Struhs (talk) 23:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zoos with specimens

indidnt edit it because it includes some modifiers, but the Fort Worth Zoo also has a Chinese Giant Salamander. I took my family there last week and saw it.Kjrjr (talk) 18:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC)Kjrjr[reply]

I don't know if those facilities are recorded in ISIS, but in 2008 there where also individuals in Cologne, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Berlin (Zoo) and Karlsruhe, the first two still exhibiting them. For other European facilities, present and past, see here: http://zootierliste.de/?klasse=4&ordnung=402&familie=40201&art=3060101&subhaltungen=1 --2003:E3:6BC9:8B00:65C7:1EB2:D81B:E794 (talk) 10:38, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Iridovirus

Back on 26-Oct-2012, the entry on iridovirus was made. No citations since, not even which strain. Can anyone find any citation for that entry and perhaps, a bit of a cleanup? The sentence 'This virus is carried in the bodies of vertebrates' doesn't do very much for explanation, compared perhaps to the entry on the viral family Iridoviridae, which is sensitive to thermal conditions.Wzrd1 (talk) 19:10, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Problematic "Decline in population" subsections

Most of this article is well-supported. However, much of what can be found in the subsections under "Decline in population" is messy, partially correct, partially incorrect, partially misplaced repeats, and with big parts lacking citations.
I've now rewritten the "Climate change" subsection entirely. Of the three paragraphs, the first was a simplified repeat taken directly from the "Distribution and habitat" section where it belongs (where it has citations, which the repeat lacked!). The second was another repeat that doesn't have anything to do with climate change. The third and final paragraph was a complete mess. It talks about torpor, but this is entirely irrelevant (good luck finding citations for it too). The ongoing climate change results in a temperature increase, not decrease! Then it speaks about Chytridiomycosis, which has caused serious declines in amphibians in many parts of the world, but no evidence that this is the case for Chinese giant salamanders. Unsurprising since it is found in the region where the fungus may well have originated (unlike the related Japanese giant, which lived in isolation on the Japanese islands). There are other diseases such as Ranavirus that are known to cause serious problems for the Chinese giant salamander, but nothing temperature related. Unsurprisingly, the only citations for this section was an entirely unspecified "29" (nothing more; no author, year, title, anything!). I've now removed the repeats that belong elsewhere in the article (where already found with citations) and removed the incorrect info supported by non-existing citation "29". Now it's a short section, but at least the info is relevant to climate change and has citations.
The articles remaining subsections under "Decline in population" aren't as problematic, but they still have some serious issues. Most was added by user:5C ext2014 in 2014 and these are the only edits ever made by this user. His initial edits were reverted (by Mcmatter and ClueBot NG), which perhaps was a bit too much. I'll leave it for now as there are some useful things in it. Regardless, it needs to be rewritten. 62.107.210.139 (talk) 17:10, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Needs work

Apart from the obvious contradiction between its endangered status and "thousands" of breeding [pairs/farms], the article is currently missing the vital information of what does it taste like. Calling them "apparently delicious" but not explaining the flavor is just begging for foreigners to join the market. — $Llywelyn II$ 09:11, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no contradiction: IUCN status and alike always rely on wild status. You can have many in captivity, but that is irrelevant to its wild status. It's the same with wild horse vs. horse, addax, Arabian oryx, tiger, many sturgeon species, Denison barb, red-tailed black shark, etc, etc. If someone believes a detailed description of taste–a highly subjective matter–belongs in the article he/she can add it. If the editor can find WP:RS. The current wiki article only uses NPOV by simply calling it a delicacy in China (supported by refs, too), but does not attempt to make a detailed description of something that essentially is subjective. The only parts of the article that remain highly problematic are most "Decline in population" subsections (as described in the comment just above on this talk page) and "Conservation efforts", but "In zoos and aquariums" could also use some work. 80.62.116.216 (talk) 18:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Conservation Section

To understand the conservation efforts in China, it is important to know something about the events of the several past hundred years of China's history relating to social attitudes, pressures on nature and natural resources, and the political ambition to safeguard the natural environment. Each of these are significant factors and determinants of conservation efforts. Up until the year 1700, China was a country that was rampant with land reclamations, growing land exploitation, and wars. These series of events led to a huge upsurge in the diminishing of the natural biomass and as well as a reduction in spatial distribution of biotic resources. The significance of this situation was that this drastic dwindling of resources made the people of this region aware of the relationship between utilization and conservation. From 1911 to 1949, China began to move into the direction of modern industry, urbanization, civil wars, and agriculture. This transition period brought with it the depletion and disappearance of various renewable resources, as well as the pollution of various biotopes. This lack of conservation eventually led to a deteriorating environment, which meant lower standards of living for the Chinese population. This is the point when both the government and the people of China came to the epiphany that the environment matters. It was not until 1956 that modern nature conservation efforts begin to develop.

The above is from the Conservation section. It seems to make several values judgement and the tone may not match guidelines.

Split Chinese giant salamander species 3

Initiated by @NessieVL:
I say hold off on splitting anything until they actually formally name this mysterious third species User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 00:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Distribution map

Hello, I have attempted to make a distribution map for this species as requested. I used The WikiProject Maps Conventions colours. I based it on the following sources:

Please let me know if anything needs to be changed and I can update the map! Jebbles (talk) 12:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Incorrect Wild 2011 Population Estimate

In the In captivity section there is this sentence "Registrations showed that 2.6 million Chinese giant salamanders were kept in farms in 2011 in Shaanxi alone, far surpassing the entire countrywide wild population estimated at less than 50,000 individuals". The cited source is a news article without citations, so I tracked it down to this 2010 paper by Dai et al which was translated in 2011. It actually states the the estimates are much lower, with the population being approximately 50,000 being based off of surveys done between 1991-1997. I believe the new article author misread this data as modern (as of its publication in English in 2011) or got the data from a secondary erroneous source and should be discounted.

This error seems to have spread to multiple external sources, and could have dramatic implications for the conservation of A. davidianus as it gives a incorrectly inflated population estimate and predates the reclassification of several populations from the nominal A. davidianus into multiple species Mnidjm (talk) 12:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]