Talk:Chinatown, Flushing

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Flushing is a Chinatown in the Queens borough of New York City, so i agree that this article should remain intact. I think that the title should be renamed as Chinatown, Flushing, Queens, instead of just calling it Chinatown, Flushing. And in fact this artcle has a good start with facts and refrences that are true about this Chinatown.(96.232.146.150 (talk) 20:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)).

Some good pictures of the crowded sidewalks of Flushing Chinatown are needed for the article, please. Pictures are not my forte. Thanks! Thmc1Thmc1 (talk) 05:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

"Massive and relentless immigration f" sounds racist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.243.244 (talk) 04:48, 27 August 2011 (UTC) Disagree. It simply sounds like a statement of fact.96.242.217.91 (talk) 02:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

If it's not called a Chinatown as per WP:COMMONNAME, it's not a Chinatown, it's an attempt to label a Chinese-dominated commercial and/or residential area as one. Big difference. The Upper East Side has a large Jewish population, that doesn't make it a ghetto or a shtetl.....the same problem applies to the one about the San Gabriel Valley and the various claims about Orange County ad nauseam....rebranding efforts, often citing wikiclones citing the claims etc....Skookum1 (talk) 17:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

It's called "the Flushing C-Town" by many who want to distinguish it from Manhattan's Chinatown. It's actually the most diversely Chinese Chinatown in the world, and it's far too big and growing a Chinatown that it would be ridiculous not to have its own separate Chinatown article. 173.63.177.192 (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Remove Chinatown, Elmhurst

I hate to sound like a nudge, but the Chinatown, Elmhurst section really shouldn't be part of this article, and neither should any future article on Chinatown, Corona. Elmhurst, Queens already has a chapter on this subject. A Chinatown, Corona section should be added to the Corona, Queens article, though. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree. It sounds POV-ish. Epicgenius (talk) 14:30, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Merged

This is just an aspect of culture of Flushing. So, I have merged it. Feel free to revert if you disagree. Epicgenius (talk) 14:30, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

173.63.177.192 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), why do you disagree? I think it is a cultural aspect of Flushing, just like the Indian and Jewish cultures. – Epicgenius (talk) 19:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Now wait a sec here. You've clearly stated above, "Feel free to revert if you disagree." I did, and even included my reasoning in the edit summary. What gives you the right to simply go against your own statement and re-revert? This is ridiculous what you've done. It's a neighborhood! Cultural aspect? What kind of ridiculousness is that? Never heard of that. If anything, you should delete all the duplication from the parent article. That's what WP:CONTENTFORK is all about. I am going to re-instate the article. 173.63.177.192 (talk) 19:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I said "feel free". I didn't say I wouldn't initiate a discussion about this, nor did I say I wouldn't revert. The parent's article already had 2/3 of the stuff in this article before I even merged it, seriously. For example, the infobox in this article: is that really necessary? Also, it is unreasonable to fork the Chinese culture if you do not fork the other cultures as well, but in reality, Flushing Chinatown is Flushing just as the original Chinatown, Brooklyn is Sunset Park, Brooklyn. The article Koreatown, Long Island is forked from here (only because it spreads out into Eastern Queens and Nassau, too), but no other culture is. This is not only a fork, it is virtually a duplicate of the parent article, as I mentioned in my merging comments. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:24, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

No, somebody (not me) has duplicated the material from this article into the parent, I guess before you merged it, and that should never have been done. That's why you must have thought this was not a fork when you merged it, so I can see what your rationale must have been. Flushing is over 60% Chinese, and yet not 100% (or even 80%) Chinese, so both the parent and the fork have very legitimate needs for existence. Somebody really needs to clean up that parent article and remove the content of this article out of that one. But that's no reason to blame this article. 173.63.177.192 (talk) 20:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Or, the other possibility, like you did with retitling Chinatown, Brooklyn to Chinatowns in Brooklyn, which I liked, would be to re-title this article, "Chinatowns in Queens", and go into more detail about the growing Elmhurst Chinatown and the emerging Corona Chinatown. Elmhurst is really coming into its own as a Chinatown and would get the proper acknowledgement this way. The only thing then is that Chinatown, Flushing should re-direct to the new "Chinatowns in Queens" article rather than to the Flushing, Queens article. 173.63.177.192 (talk) 20:52, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I think this material is but one aspect of Flushing, and should be placed within the Flushing articles, a merging as was performed by Epicgenius. Hardly anybody calls this area "Chinatown", so the name is not common. Putting this material in such a named article gives the uncommon name too much authority. If someone really wants to write about Asians in Queens the article should be called something like Asians in Queens, New York. Binksternet (talk) 21:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

What's the problem in calling this article "Chinatowns in Queens"? The neighborhood described is a Chinatown, whatever people want to call it. Plus, now what's gone is any mention (as well as the picture) of Elmhurst's growing Chinatown, and that's not correct. 173.63.177.192 (talk) 22:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I see where you are going with this. I do not disagree with a general Chinatowns in Queens article, or even an Asians in Queens article like Binksternet suggests above (though, if it were incorporating some content about other Asian cultures as well, the article would grow pretty big, so we'd have to trim it). In fact, I support one, but the Corona Chinatown is much smaller, and there is not a lot of info in the Elmhurst article despite the large Chinese population there.

Anyway, in all the Chinatowns in Brooklyn, the Chinese demographic is a majority, but does not exceed more than 80% in each neighborhood. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:52, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, well I'm an IP, and since you support one, you could create a Chinatowns in Queens article faster and more efficiently than me. I think it would involve redirecting the current Flushing Chinatown article to "Chinatowns in Queens", or at least borrowing some of the same content, although I think redirect would be better, and then adding some detail on a separate section on Elmhurst's Chinatown, which you, me, and other editors could do quickly and easily. You're right about Corona, but I think a short mention of its emergence would be correct. I agree that "Asians in Queens" would be way too broad, given the huge and diverse Chinese, Indian, Korean, Bangladeshi, etc populations. Can you help start this process? 173.63.177.192 (talk) 01:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to step out of this conversation because I have little topic experience. The only reason I was hovering around this page was because of a long string of original research problems that I was chasing down including this one at this article. The problems have hopefully stopped because the disruptive IP is blocked for 5.5 more months. It appears that this article is in good hands between the two of you. Cheers! Binksternet (talk) 02:25, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@Binksternet: No problem.

@173.63.177.192: I'll create the new article as soon as tomorrow, unless you want this article to be moved and content about Corona and Elmhurst to be added to this article. – Epicgenius (talk) 02:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Epicgenius, I think it really would be much, much easier simply to do a move from "Chinatown, Flushing" to "Chinatowns in Queens". Then the Elmhurst section can be correctly expanded and Corona added, like you say. 173.63.177.192 (talk) 03:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I just created Chinatowns in Queens but didn't see the comment until now. Should I request a histmerge? – Epicgenius (talk) 18:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what a histmerge is. But I really like what you've done so far. I also like that Chinatown, Flushing redirects to this new article rather than to the parent Flushing article. Thanks. 173.63.177.192 (talk) 19:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Now I understand what a histmerge is. Yes I think that would actually be very important. 173.63.177.192 (talk) 19:10, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, my edit is a cut-and-paste move that needs to be fixed. Not urgently, though, because {{merged}} will provide a link to the old article's history on the talk page of the new article. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC)