Talk:Chetnik order of battle

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Renaming to Chetniks

I am contesting renaming the Chetniks done with this diff using the following explanation: "simplifying to common name".

The above explanation is wrong because:

its not simplifying, but complicationg - there were many different Chetniks in different periods of history, and only one YAitF. This goes directly against recognizability, naturalness and precision criterias.
There is no WP:COMMONNAME for this topic.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:47, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why am I not surprised? Firstly, it is simplifying, because it is a lot more concise, even with disambiguation, and "Chetniks" is the obviously the common name for the organisation for which this ORBAT is being developed (by a long shot). So it is much more likely that people will search for "Chetnik order of battle" than "Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland order of battle", and therefore it is also much more natural. So, it is more concise, it is the common name, and it is more natural. Disambiguation is necessary because there may be a need for a Chetnik order of battle (World War I). I'll start a RM. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:26, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: page moved. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland order of battle → Chetnik order of battle – Per the WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, Chetnik is clearly a more recognisable description of the subject than Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland, which is much more obscure, uses the common name (Chetnik is 0.0000006087 and Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland is 0.0000000137%) of the organisation that readers are likely to search for, precisely defines the subject and is no longer than necessary to distinguish it from Chetnik organisations in earlier wars. Disambiguation by war is consistent with other similar organisations such as Serbian Volunteer Corps (World War II). Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:14, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've advertised this on the three WikiProject talk pages to ensure a solid community consensus one way or the other. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the disambiguation of (World War II) per No such user's observation and my agreement with it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:40, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Support Chetnik order of battle. If we don't disambiguate the main article Chetniks, since it's the primary topic, we should not disambiguate sub-articles either. No such user (talk) 07:17, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. I would support that. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:13, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The position of the nominator is based on their fallacious conclusions: "Chetniks" is the obviously the common name for the organisation .... and therefore it is also much more natural.....So, it is more concise, it is the common name, and it is more natural. There is no common name for the topic of this article. The term Chetniks have so many different meanings and encompass so many different military forces that it is far less common, natural, recognizable, precise and consistent name choice for this topic. The only advantage would be conciseness, which is not enough. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support: It should be consistent with the parent article but it is not. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 03:13, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Chetnik order of battle. We need to use the WP:COMMONNAME. Nick-D (talk) 23:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as per No Such User, and because this was the order of battle of what were the legal, official, Chetniks, during WWII. FkpCascais (talk) 22:27, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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