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This article sounds like recounting of folklore and legend rather than historical fact (as close to fact as possible).

The article is a summary of her story as portrayed in the Chinese Historical Drama (not documentary) Jiangshan Fengyuqing (江山风雨情) which is referred to in the Wu_Sangui article.

Is there any academic evidence that she is even a real historical figure? a quick search on google reveals sparse bits of folklorish on her. And i agree, this article is clearly based off of a television drama, as are many other articles relating to the fall of the Ming Dynasty. 66.41.62.136 02:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV Tag

I'm doing POV tag cleanup. Whenever an POV tag is placed, it is necessary to also post a message in the discussion section stating clearly why it is thought the article does not comply with POV guidelines, and suggestions for how to improve it. This permits discussion and consensus among editors. This is a drive-by tag, which is discouraged in WP, and it shall be removed. Future tags should have discussion posted as to why the tag was placed, and how the topic might be improved. Better yet, edit the topic yourself with the improvements. This statement is not a judgement of content, it is only a cleanup of frivolously and/or arbitrarily placed tags. No discussion, no tag.Jjdon (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article is incorrect.

Chen Yuan Yuan was a real historical figure. She was a concubine of Wu Sangui who was raped upon entry of Li Zhi Chen's army into Beijing (some sources state that Li himself took possession of her but I don't know if this is actual historical fact). Consequently Wu opened the gates of Fort Shan Hai to the Manchus. Historical record do not have a definitive account of her later whereabouts or disposition after the fall of Beijing to Li's army.

From the Chinese Wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%99%B3%E5%9C%93%E5%9C%93 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.159.156 (talk) 08:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Li Zicheng connection?

In the Wu Sangui article, it says he made the decision to open the gates of the Great Wall after Li kidnapped Chen upon taking Beijing. This is also mentioned by the commenter above. If this is true, it should be in the article, if not it should be deleted from the Wu Sangui article. 24.42.68.193 (talk) 15:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]