Talk:Chen Chien-jen

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WP:TITLE: "Wikipedia generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit criteria such as recognizability and naturalness."

On this person's website and publications, his name appears as Chien-Jen Chen. The current title of article does not adhere to the Wikipedia policy. Lysimachi (talk) 16:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Let's wait a few more days once he is officially announced as the vice-president candidate and see how his name is used in the media. 210.54.38.233 (talk) 08:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Media sources are using "Chen Chien-jen", including The Taipei Times, China Post, Focus Taiwan News Channel, Nikkei Asian Review and The Japan Times. On the other hand academic citations and the Academia Sinica website use the "Chien-jen Chen" order. When I created the article I used the "Chen Chien-jen" order, and I'm pretty confident that conforms to WP:TITLE. Taiwantaffy (talk) 01:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I've moved the page back to Chen Chien-jen. All the news articles from the past few days have used that order, including those I cited above plus other outlets such as the DPP's Facebook page, Taiwan Today, the Straits Times and Voice of America. Can't find any recent news citations with the other order. Taiwantaffy (talk) 09:03, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

@Taiwantaffy: Unfortunately you moved Chien-Jen Chen to Chen Chien-Jen, not back to Chen Chien-jen (with the lowercase "j"). "J" in given name should be lowercased per the naming convention for Taiwanese people (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Romanization of names). I have placed a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests asking to move Chen Chien-Jen to Chen Chien-jen. --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:22, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

On his website: "He has published 12 books, 22 book chapters, 35 conference full articles, and over 640 original, review and editorial articles in international journals ...". How many of them did he publish under "Chen Chien-Jen" or "Chen Chien-jen"? Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Romanization of names: "... when the subject of the article is likely to prefer a non-pinyin romanization ...". Clearly the subject's own preference should be taken into consideration when naming an article. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Order of names: "There is an exception for people whose Chinese name is familiar but with English ordering (for example, Wen Ho Lee). In this case, the primary entry should be under the Western ordering with a redirect from the Chinese ordering." Chien-Jen Chen has published under that name peer-reviewed journals for at least 30 years, with a total of ~30,000 citations. His name is familiar in that order. WP:TITLE: "Wikipedia generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit criteria such as recognizability and naturalness." WP:Verifiability: "Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. ... If available, academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources, such as in history, medicine, and science." Are the subject's own publications in peer-reviewed journals less reliable than the news websites? Lysimachi (talk) 18:42, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

@Lysimachi: First of all, neither Chen Chien-Jen or Chen Chien-jen is pinyin romanization. They are both Wade–Giles, the romanization exactly preferred by Taiwanese people. The pinyin of his name is Chen Jianren. Second, although it is probably true that the Western-order name Chien-Jen Chen is more commonly used in his academic works, he might be more notable as a political figure under the name "Chen Chien-jen". --Neo-Jay (talk) 19:56, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Where did I say it's Hanyu Pinyin? What I said was "the subject's own preference should be taken into consideration when naming an article". Chien-Jen Chen is not only used in his works, it's also used on the Academia Sinica websites and Ministry of Science and Technology website. Based on which reliable English-language sources do you think "he might be more notable as a political figure under the name "Chen Chien-jen""? Lysimachi (talk) 17:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Where did you say? You said: "Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Romanization of names: '... when the subject of the article is likely to prefer a non-pinyin romanization ...'" (emphasis with italic type added). Chen Chien-jen is already non-pinyin romannization. This convention you quoted is apparently irrelevant in our discussion. As for "the subject's own preference", how do you know which is this person's own preference? His name order in his works just follows the convention of international academic journals. That can not be said as his own preference. Even if he personally prefers using Chen Chien-jen, it would be changed by journals' editors. And as I put it, his academic life might not be so famous as his political one. This English Wikipedia article was created only when he would be chosen as Tsai Ing-wen's running mate for 2016 Taiwanese presidential election. And the recent news reports on him usually use Taiwanese people's common style Chen Chien-jen, not the international academic journals' style Chien-Jen Chen. --Neo-Jay (talk) 01:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

He was never foreign minister

The foreign minister between 1999 and 2000 was zh:程建人, a different person. Please clean up the mess. – Kaihsu (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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