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Err... I just found out that the Cheltenham racecourse link is now dead, so I'll see if I can find another place to link to. Also, anyone interested in the racecourse might want to look at this: http://www.sa.greens.org.au/mrelease_03/20030804_kh.htm It's just a small article by the Greens with a few opinions on the whole thing if you want to read it.

Alberton Oval

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Is it appropriate to have Alberton Oval mentioned in this article, considering that Alberton Oval is in Alberton not Cheltenham? GK1 18:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Holden Woodville Plant was not in Cheltenham

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This article and the Holden Woodville Plant article claim that the Holden plant was in Cheltenham. However, this is not the case. The Holden plant was located on the parcel of land bounded by Port Road, Cheltenham Parade, the Outer Harbor railway line and the Grange railway line. This is within Woodville, not Cheltenham.

I edited the Holden Woodville Plant article to reflect this, but my edit was reverted (despite citing a source).

GK1 (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GK1. Sorry, that was me. At the time I was editing this I dug around quite a lot to find out exactly where the plant was located, and could not find anything specific, but found this Woodville Village Masterplan, which says on page 29: "Decline set in upon the closure of the Cheltenham plant of General Motors Holden...". Your citation was a catalogue ref to a book which I could not see. However I have now just come across this article by two academics which says on p. 64: "Located about 10 kilometres from Adelaide’s CBD, the main part of the Woodville factory was bounded on its three longest sides by two railway lines and Cheltenham Parade (a small site on the other side of this road, next to the cemetery, was also later developed) – see Figure 2. The factory’s shortest side fronted Port Road, the main artery linking Port Adelaide with the city." I suspect the confusion must have arisen from the later development on the other side of Cheltenham Parade, which is in Cheltenham. This photo at SLSA also shows the shape of the site. It would be good to expand this from these citations, with quotes to make it clear, and a ref to Google Maps, which shows that Bunnings, Harvey Norman and an industrial estate now occupy the site. SLSA also has other old photos, which could be used as illustrations. Do you have time to do this? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 21:04, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The issue at stake here is not the street/ railway boundaries of the site, but the suburb and postal boundaries, which may have changed over time. Looking at the Sands & McDougall Directory of South Australia for 1959, in the section on the Alberton Postal District it lists both sides of Cheltenham Parade as being in (the suburb of) Cheltenham (the parcel at 9-11 on the western side of Cheltenham Parade as "General Motors Holden's Ltd car and bicycle park", and the eastern side from Port Road to Railway Terrace as "General Motors Holden's Ltd"). However, the short Port Road frontage is listed as being in (the suburb of) Woodville in the Woodville Postal District. In the alphabetical section of the directory there are several entries for "General Motors Holden's Ltd" in Cheltenham, and one for Woodville. The location of the carpark on Cheltenham Parade suggests that the main entrance to the offices was directly on the opposite side of Cheltenham Parade, and thus this may have been also the postal address of the company, and how it may have been generally referred to by some, at least.
On the other hand, Marsden's A History of Woodville (1977, sponsored and published by the Corporation of the City of Woodville) consistently refers to the GMH site as being in Woodville, apart from one mention referring to the time prior to the 1920s (p.31): "The Hunt Club also held meetings at Cheltenham (starting on the land now occupied by General Motors Holden's Ltd.)." Bahudhara (talk) 03:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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