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Date	Process	Result
September 8, 2009	Good article nominee	Listed
September 26, 2009	Peer review	Reviewed

Current status: Good article

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Chatteris isn't the highest point in Cambridgeshire

The Wikipedia entry for Cambridgeshire identifies Great Chishill as being the highest point, and whether or not this is true, it is certainly a lot higher than Chatteris. The Ordnance Survey Get-a-Map online feature can be used to check the heights.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Chatteris/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Starting review. Pyrotec (talk) 16:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments

Having skim-read this article a couple of times, it appears to be at or about GA level (but see below). The scope seems adequate and it appears to be well referenced. I will therforec arry out a full asssessment, section by section, but leaving the WP:lead until last.

Supprisingly for a UKgeo article it had no weather data, i.e. temperature and rainfull, see any UKgeo Good Article. Pyrotec (talk) 17:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed these on quite a few US articles and the larger city Geo GAs, but not the smaller ones, i.e Coatbridge, Hebden, North Yorkshire. How are these weather/climate charts compiled? Rob (talk) 10:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at Geography of Greater Manchester#Climate, for instance, you will see that they have some prose and a template {Manchester weatherbox} with double braces. You could use that as a "model" and edit it to suit your needs. It looks like your nearest sources of met data is Cambridge (here: [1]); there is also Norwich (here: [2]). Pyrotec (talk) 18:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Righto, I've made a template for Cambridge to include here, and then added a few bits and pieces about average climate in the area, although nothing specific for Chatteris unfortunately. Rob (talk) 11:26, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work. Pyrotec (talk) 15:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Detailed comments

At the moment I'm checking statements from the article and attempting to WP:verify them via the in-line citations provided. These are the "problems" so far:

Location and road network -

I'm willing to accept the Chatteris is on the A141 and A142, but there is no WP:verification for the claim that these are known as the "Isle of Ely way" and "Ireton's Way".

Done I have cited these to Google maps, I *think* that's accepted as reliable, if not, forgive me, I've never cited a map before! Jeni ^(talk) 19:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Government and policing -

"Clement Freud famously held the seat from 1973 to 1987". Cleament Freud as MP, is a fact; but famously appears to be a mere "point of view".

Done - removed 'famously' (although it was more in reference to his existing "fame" as a celebrity before he became an MP).

The presence of a Police Station is recorded, but having checked the reference its only open on Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday - shouldn't that be stated?

Done - Opening times noted.

History' -
- Toponymy and early history -

Reference 7 is a 37 page report, the relevent page number(s) should be provided.

Done Page numbers provided for all citations in this report.

Ref 8 appears to be used to verify the statement "The town was mentioned in the Domesday Book as "Ceterig" or "Caterig"". Ref 8 states: "CHATTERIS in Domesday Book written "Cetriz" and "Cateriz"".

Done - Corrected.

Ref 9 is a broken link.

Done - Seemed to work for me (?)

The one I checked was "Enjoy England"; with ref 8 = Kelly's and ref 10= "The Ecclesiastical history of England and Normandy". As of now Kelly's = ref 10; and 11 ="The Ecclesiastical history of England and Normandy". Pyrotec (talk) 18:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 13 and 14 are identical, appart from 14 quotes a page number, whereas 13 does not.

Done - sorted.

The citation for Ref 13 & 14 contains "xiii + 479 pp.; 8 illustrations". This is not needed and, possibly, suggests that they may have been copied from a search engine, rather than being a proper reference.

Done - this was originally copied from the page about Chatteris Abbey, but I have subsequently found a copy of the book in the library.

- Later history -

Ref 16 is broken

Done - sorted.

Religion -

Ref 23 is broken

Done - sorted.

I'm not sure that Ref 24 and 25 provide any verification of what is claimed.
Ref 26 is broken

Done - sorted.

Education and community -

Ref 28 - I'm not convinced that this is the most appropriate link

Done - link now goes to their official website (I think it was offline before)

Ref 29 is broken

This is probably just temporarily offline. Should I link to something like [3] instead?

I'm not sure that Ref 32 provides any verification of what is claimed.

I suspect it might be quite difficult to prove that they were featured on Look East (I have a video tape of it, but I suspect might be difficult to cite).

I'm not sure that Ref 33 provides verification of what is claimed.

Done - Clarified this with some CWA minutes confirming closure plan.

" This appears to be relevant to 2008, I'm not sure that it is current - "Due to a decreasing number of volunteers, a medieval-themed festival replaced the standard festival week in July 2008"

Done - yeah, I think that's been there some time. Removed/rewritten.

Economy and industry -

...to be continued. Pyrotec (talk) 18:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ref 35 appears to be WP:SPAM - if its needed it should be in External links.

Done I think this has been removed now.

Ref 48 is broken.

Done Sorted

Ref 50 is broken.

Done Sorted

WP:Lead -

Looks reasonable.

I've also tidied up that section about the song. Rob (talk) 12:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

overall summary

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Congratulations on the quality of the article; and thanks for promptly attending to my comments above. This article is now GA-status. Pyrotec (talk) 15:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And thank you very much for your excellent review and suggestions. Rob (talk) 16:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UKCITIES

Congratulations on the GA! Fantastic work and a throughly good read. Noticed the promotion on the WP:UKGEO notice board. If it's ok, I'd like to cosmetically rejig some of the content inline with WP:UKCITIES so the page is consistent with other GAs and is more geared up for WP:FA. :) --Jza84 | Talk 16:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, looks good to me - thanks. Rob (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great stuff, and thanks again for the article. :) --Jza84 | Talk 18:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Famous people from Chatteris

Another famous boxer - Eric Boon, a pre-war British champion, lived in Chatteris. Even more interesting, both he and Dave 'Boy' Green lived in Burnsfield Street / Estate. Rogermunns (talk) 19:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info Roger - have written a short article about him and added to the list. D. Lion West (talk) 22:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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