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What is Chataldja

In encyclopaedias the names should be written in their in their original form (of course provided that the alphabeth of the original name is Latin alphabeth.) The only exception to this rule may be the case of well known historical names. Well Çatalca is a name still in use in Turkey and it is not a particularly well known historical name. But the author of this article prefers the odd name of Chataldja trying to pronounce it in English. The name should be moved to to Çatalca Army. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In English Chataldja is used. This name was written in Ottoman language. As you know modern Turkish language is different from Ottoman language. The translitelation to English is Chataldja. Erickson and some Turkish authors use Çatalca (modern Turkish form).

Chataldja + "Balkan War" - 261 hit
Çatalca or Catalca + "Balkan War" - 208 hit

And I don't want to use Catalca.

Takabeg (talk) 14:43, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Chataldja line" > "Çatalca line" + "Catalca line"

"Chataldja line" -118 hits
"Çatalca line" or "Catalca line" - 88 hits

As we know, Chataldja is not "odd name" in English. Just like Battle of Yenidje (modern Turkish form: Yenice), Battle of Bulair (modern Turkish form: Bolayır). Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 15:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale

The phrase "I don't want to use Çatalca " is enough. I beleive the authors have right to choose the names. (Unfortumatelly naming in the articles created by me are always editted by other editors.) But I must express my self. In principle proper names should be written in original form. For instance in Turkish books and Turkish press as well as Turkish Wikipedia, American names like Texas, New York and Georgetown are always written in their English forms, not as Teksıs, Nüyork or Corctavn . The reverse is also true. According to the rules of English prononciation, Ankara is never pronounced as Ankara in Turkish. The Homonym of Turkish Ankara may be something like Ounquarah. But in this Wikipedia the name of the famous battle is Battle of Ankara and not Battle of Ounquarah. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say "I don't want to use Çatalca". I said that "I don't want to use Catalca". Anyway Chatardja is not odd name. Takabeg (talk) 13:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

About Battle of Angora:

"Battle of Angora" - 4430 hits
"Battle of Ankara" - 2240 hits
"Battle of Ounquarah" - Of course 0 hit

Battle of Angora is common use in English.

It is similar to the Siege of Plevna. In English we prefer Siege of Plevna to Siege of Pleven.

Takabeg (talk) 13:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]