Talk:Charley Pride

A news item involving Charley Pride was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 13 December 2020.

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December 13 to 19, 2020 (16th)

Photograph

This is not a matter of copyright or anything. I just want to say that the photograph (the one of Charley Pride on an El Cheapo Records "as seen on TV" record) is horrible. Can we possibly get a regular photograph of Charley Pride without a record cover? Or, if not, what about the possibility of putting there a picture of a Charley Pride album that isn't so ridiculous-looking. The one that's there is hideous. It looks tacky as can be. It does Charley Pride no justice. I'd do it myself, but I don't know how. Slater79 20:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

36 Number 1 Hits

If he had 36 number 1 hits, wouldn't it make sense to put all 36 hits on the "selected" singles discography, and not just 29? Just wondering. I mean, there's a whole bunch of singles on the "selected discography" that were not even in the top ten. What gives? By selective, is it meant that these are favorites of the person who wrote the discography? Slater79 12:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Montana?

Why is he categorized as a person from Montana? There's nothing in the article about Montana. Did they mean Idaho because of the Boise Yankees? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thmazing (talk • contribs) 17:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He apparently lived and worked in Montana while playing ball and singing in clubs at night, so it was where his music career "officially" started off. Static Universe ^talk|edits 19:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate

Can we get a source for this, please? I have good reason to suspect that the date as given in the article is off by a few years. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 20:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What? You doubt he was playing pro ball at 14? 162.213.104.109 (talk)

The source in the article says 1934, which matches better with the 1952 pro ball date than the 1938 birthdate. Users keep changing it to the more popular 1938 date. I will change it, and add notes.Shajure (talk) 17:14, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This just...keeps... coming back. Once again corrected to 1934. If there is a source for a 1938 date, someone should present it.Shajure (talk) 18:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rangers ownership

U~~nless someone thinks this bears mention in the body, or otherwise objects, I expect to remove the bit about the Rangers from the lead. Shajure (talk) 19:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)~~ Found it in the body... seems ok. Shajure (talk) 19:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On further review... I don't see that this belongs in the lead. Unless there is some support for keeping it in the lead, I expect to remove it.Shajure (talk) 04:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that partial ownership of the Rangers is worthy of inclusion in the lead. This would seem to be a significant accomplishment and worthy of mention in the lead. Any reason not to include it Shajure? Jurisdicta (talk) 00:03, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed significant and should be mentioned in the body. It is not anything he is known for, nor does it indicate that he added anything to the Rangers by being an investor, nor does it indicate that Ranger ownership had any substantial impact on his life. It is wp:trivia, and while I don't see it damaging the article, it is certainly not lead material. Any other thoughts from other editors?Shajure (talk) 05:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Really, I think it is more significant that he (I think often but it would need sourcing) performed the national anthem and was a lifelong baseball fan (and pro). And I *still* don't think it belongs in the lead.Shajure (talk) 05:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged illegitimate son

In May of 2021 a lawsuit was filed against Pride's estate by an alleged, illegitimate son, one Tyler Pride. This information was edited into the article by a newbie who didn't do proper citation. It was removed by an 'interesting' editor who treated the edit like radioactive waste, casting aspersions on its veracity. A bit of quick research would have revealed to said editor that not only did the newbie not cite his/her edit, he/she commited another serious offense–it was copied and pasted from the Yahoo News article that this editor used to reference the information. Good editing to all! Tapered (talk) 05:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"It was removed by an 'interesting' editor ... casting aspersions on its veracity." an interested editor might reread the edit summary "BLP applies even though he has died. That will all need very good sourcing.", and determine that that was not the case. Please focus on the content, not the editors.Shajure (talk) 17:13, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Further, this is all hype. I think the affair and paternity should be worked into the article. The affair is not "alleged", nor is the son "alleged". TX court found fact that Charlie Pride was the father, according to the article, and required he pay child support. The lawsuit is to block the will, and transfer part of the estate's wealth to the son. TX allows one to leave one's wealth to, really, most anyone... Pride could have left all his money to shelters for cats and dogs (and may have for all I know, I am not looking up some random celebrity will, even if it is/becomes public record).Shajure (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A caution: The actual text appears to be a press release by a lawyer, rather than an item from a wp:RS. I am removing the content again until it is cited to a wp:RS, in compliance to wp:BLP.

The press release is here: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lawsuit-filed-by-the-collins-law-group-reveals-charley-prides-secret-double-life-301296541.html Shajure (talk) 17:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now that we have a source...

The part about the lawsuit can go into an article about the son or the estate, should either ever earn an article. I expect to remove it, leaving the sources attached to a shorter, factual line that he and the named (or unnamed if that has been suppressed) person had a son in 1979 and that pride was ordered to pay child support after the paternity was proven.Shajure (talk) 00:01, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think that Tyler Pride and the 1990 child support lawsuit certainly warrant a mention here, but based on the Morning News article and what I can find on Google, I seriously doubt that Tyler meets notability criteria for his own article. He seems like a textbook example of WP:BIO1E and WP:BIOFAMILY; his only apparent claims to notability are accident of birth and his probate suit against Charley's estate. Regarding the probate case itself, I think it warrants a mention due to the recent news coverage, but I will concede that there are good arguments under WP:NOTNEWS and WP:ROTM to leave it out; I decided to add it for now and revisit the issue in a few months under WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Lastly, the Morning News story includes Tyler's mother's name and his birthdate, but I chose to omit this information under WP:NPF. Carguychris (talk) 17:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

River Song soundtrack to Tom Sawyer musical

The appropriate links to the Wikipedia articles Tom Sawyer and specifically ``River Song were included. So they will be added back as they were. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.218.36.228 (talk) 01:15, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]