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Fort at Number 4

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I live in Charlestown, and I am sad to say that they forgot to mention Fort at Number 4 24.50.32.198 09:39, 10 September 2005

Hi, You maybe glad to here that I have created a Fort at Number 4 page that now links to the Charlestown NH page User:Marc29th 15:04, 3 October 2005

Merge discussion

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Please see the WikiProject New Hampshire talk page for background on the proposed merge of the Charlestown CDP article with this article.--Ken Gallager (talk) 13:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tory's Cave is in Charlestown

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An editor deleted the reference tht i had added to a new article that i had created about Tory's Cave (New Hampshire). I reverted this, because the reason given by Ken Gallager was that he thought it looked like the article said the cave was in Roxbury, or in one source? Well, yes, there is a poem that uses the name Roxbury as a former settlement that went ghost town, but the cave has a view of the Connecticut River and is therefore in Charlestown and cannot be in Roxbury, NH in the current form of that town name. But... maybe "Roxbury" is a ghost town name known to people in Charlestown or something? I know that happened here in Connecticut, with Dudley Town in Cornwall, Connecticut.

I created the Tory's Cave (New Hampshire) page because i was moving good sources from the Tory cave (New Milford, Connecticut) page which applied to the New Hampshire cave, and then i linked it to the Charlestown page because it is located there. Please, i am a volunteer editor and i did all this good work last night, so please leave it as it is unless you find out otherwise and can give some good reason to think the cave is not in Charlestown, New Hampshire. I've not been there, as i've been to the Connecticut Tory's Cave, and that is what led me here. Anyway, i transcribed a really nice poem into the article about Tory's Cave (New Hampshire). Have a read. It talks about the ghosted Roxbury settled by the Buckminsters. I bet someone in Charlestown will learn a lot from this link and lead to further research. SageRad (talk) 12:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SageRad, please check my notes on your talk page. Your first two sources indicate that the cave is on Skitchewaug Mountain, overlooking the Connecticut River from the Vermont side, so not in Charlestown. The Roxbury source rather clearly describes the existing town of Roxbury, New Hampshire, which was virtually uninhabited in 1903, just as the source states. It's not surprising that there would be more than one location in New England referred to as a "Tory's Cave". --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:06, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah i just saw your note on my talk page and was just posting to acknowledge that i saw it. I'd prefer to use the article talk page. I'll look into your comments, but i've seen indication that it's in Charlestown, and please acknowledge that the current Roxbury is not on the Connecticut River whereas the one described in the poem is on the Connecticut River, as is Charlestown. So... let's slow down. Let's talk before editing and do more careful research. In historical matters, things like names change over time. Skitchewaug Mountain is in Springfield, Vermont -- maybe that is the accurate location of the cave. SageRad (talk) 13:08, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that you've found two separate "Tory Cave"s. I haven't seen any indication that either is in Charlestown. You've provided two clear indications that one is across the river from Charlestown, and your third source appears to refer to a different cave, since as you point out, Roxbury is not on the Connecticut River. If you would like some time to try to find a source that uses "Roxbury" to refer to Charlestown, please do. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:21, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Look, i just wrote you a fairly nice note, but your above comment is kinda irking. None of these caves is in the current Roxbury, NH as i said above. That may be a ghost town name of an area, historically and someone else can research that. Please, let's be on the same team. I feel some contention from you. Anyway here's what i wrote before i saw this note of yours:
On further research, i am pretty sure it's in Springfield, Vermont and overlooks the Connecticut River with a view upon Charlestown, New Hampshire and i have updated the name to Tory's Cave (Springfield, Vermont) and linked it appropriately. Thanks for bringing this up. This is how we converge on the best representation of reality through multiple eyes. SageRad (talk) 13:23, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry if I've sounded irksome. Please check the Roxbury, New Hampshire, article again. I think it fits the poem very well. Seeing as you've already found several other "Tory Caves" around New England, isn't it likely that there would be more than one in the southwestern NH/eastern VT area? --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:26, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I was already irked to begin with so it may have been carry-over. I appreciate your fact checking. I will add notes on the cave's talk page and the Roxbury, NH page to see if other editors want to pick it up. Done and done. SageRad (talk) 14:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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