Talk:Charles T. Pepper/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Aza24 (talk · contribs) 03:25, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to review this article. Comments below:

Would rather see image caption with the year of the photo (commons says its from 1901) so something like "Pepper in 1901" would be better

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead Image really should be bigger, if the reason you have a set px size (which I would recommend removing entirely) is because you're worried about the infobox being too close to the first image, you could put the Dr. Pepper store image on the left

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox "known for" is unessarily long, something like "Potential namesake of the Dr Pepper drink

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence:
- Needs to be reformatted to fit MOS:LEADSENTENCE better. "Charles Taylor Pepper (December 2, 1830 – May 28, 1903) was a 19th-century American medical doctor who is often cited as the inspiration for the name of the Dr Pepper brand soft drink."

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- "is often cited as the inspiration for the name of the Dr Pepper brand soft drink." sounds awkward. Maybe alternatives would work better:
  - who is traditionally credited as the namesake for the soft drink brand Dr Pepper
  - who is often cited as the namesake of the soft drink brand Dr Pepper

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- "medical doctor" might make might be better as "physician" in the first sentence and infobox, since that term seems to be more common in America (and e's an American figure).

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"There are various versions of the story how this came about as given by several different historians. The Dr. Pepper Museum knows of these accounts and has never been able to determine which version may be correct." is also rather awkwardly phrased. What about "Many stories on the origins of the drink's name exist, of which the Dr. Pepper Museum has been unable to confirm/authenticate" or maybe just "The Dr. Pepper Museum has been unable to confirm any of the various/many stories on the origin of the brand's name"

Done--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Pepper was a Confederate surgeon during the American Civil War practicing at a college in Virginia. He later after the war practiced medicine in Virginia for decades. He was also a businessman and merchant that operated a drug store in Rural Retreat, Virginia." may be clearer as: "Pepper was a Confederate surgeon during the American Civil War where he practiced at a college in Virginia. After the war he opened a drug store in Rural Retreat and stayed in Virginia until his death in 1903." (I'm assuming he stayed there?)
- You may have noticed that I took out "businessman" and "merchant" both of which seem unreasonable for someone who was primarily a surgeon/doctor.

Done--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't "Dr. Pepper Museum" be without the period ("Dr Pepper Museum") to match the company?

Done--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It would make more sense to describe him as a "physician and surgeon" in the first sentence.

Done--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did he continuing practicing medicine after the war? That could be mentioned in the lead.

Done--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"His parents were John Pepper and Mary Robertson Pepper and he was their twelfth child" is choppy, could flow better as "He was the twelfth child to John and Mary Pepper. (why is her middle name even mentioned? Or is that her maiden name?)

Done--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What degree did he receive, specifically?

Working

Is there really nothing else about his early life that exists?

Working

"Mid-life" header might work better as "Career" – what's the point of a "personal life" section if all of the children are listed earlier, surely this information should be moved there, then "Career" would definitely work better. Not saying you shouldn't mention that he had four surviving children but any information further than that (their ages, names and birthdates) would be better in the "personal life" section.

Done--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The prose needs some serious work, I would recommend slowing down on your GA nominations and look at prose closer. At the moment it feels like I'm giving a WP:PR rather than a GA review. Looking further ahead the issues don't seem to be resolving themselves, there's too many choppy sentences and not enough continuity. I would recommend saying every line out loud/in you head to make sure it's presented in a way that would make sense.

Working

Unfortunately I'm going to have to fail this nomination, there's too many comments I would have to leave for the rest of the article for it to make sense to continue – at the moment this article fails criteria 1a and 1b. Best of luck in future nominations. Aza24 (talk) 03:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]