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On 23 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Killing of Carol DiMaiti. The result of the discussion was moved to Murder of Carol Stuart.

Inaccuracies?

I believe there is a complete inaccurate statement being made on this page. Dee Brown of the Boston Celtics was NOT stopped by Police in connection with the Stuary murder. This is being mistaken with another story. Dee Brown was stopped by Wellesley MA police for a bank robbery suspect in the mostly white community.

As I recall, there was no evidence that Stuart was actually having an affair. He had shown some obvious interest in a Babson College student who had interned at Kakas Furs (and who had a boyfriend of her own age). She did have telephone conversations with him after the crime, but only because she was then under the impression that he was a victim and wished to offer friendly sympathy. I have therefore made a change to the claim that Stuart was involved in an affair.68.72.82.88 (talk) 21:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The show "Dual Suspects" also had an episode about this case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.96.31 (talk) 03:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Law and Order

I changed the law and order reference.The page say's that it was based on it, when there is no fact to prove that.Granted, it probably was based on it, but without evidence other than similiarity, I have changed the wording.

Does anyone know of any solid evidence that it was based on this case? The show was made the same year, it's possible but I see no solid evidence.

Also, in my opinion, it should not say that stuart DID KILL HIS WIFE as if it's fact. It should say he "allegedly" killed her.If there are no objections I will change this(if I remember, LOFL) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.250.155 (talk) 05:24, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the above, should the article title be renamed Charles Stuart (alleged murderer)?47.137.181.252 (talk) 02:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, the subsequent charges and convictions of the living make it apparent that he did it.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 10:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Marvin Geller's name

I corrected Marvin Geller's name from Marvin Gellar. The Flowers' book, The Dynamics of Murder, got it wrong, as attested to by numerous other reports from the time, and books. I cited Jet. (I know the following doesn't matter to Wikipedia edits, but Marvin was my father-in-law. He passed away yesterday. He was always proud to have helped set up the fund.) dweinberger 03:08, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Drive by Neal Bell

Drive by Neal Bell is a short play based on the murderer Charles Stuart. A play about a caucasian couple named Michael and Maddie who take a drive through the "bad side" of town while reavulating their relationship.

The play mirror the event that took place in real life.

For example: the usage of a car phone, the murder, his wife's pregnancy, racism and a lie about a black man with a raspy voice committing the fatal act against his wife. AmberElHowe (talk) 23:50, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Could someone please explain how summarizing part of a song (with a citation) that is clearly about the article topic constitutes vandalism? The lyrics mention Carol (victim), Charles (her husband), a black guy named Bennett, and concludes with Charles killing himself. The group who recorded it was from Boston. I'm sure that I could find further sources besides the lyrics that indicate the Stuart murder was used as source material for the song.47.137.181.252 (talk) 02:11, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is insignificant trivia and the source fails RS anyway. This is not a pop culture subject and such additions are not encyclopedic.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 10:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This was later included in the Pop Culture section. See Wildside. Is this the same song referenced here 8.Mar.2020? LarryLACa (talk) 01:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting account

In the true crime documentary series, "Killer In Plain Sight" (Season 2 Episode 1 "It Was All a Lie"), Charles Stuart's brother, Matthew, does NOT go to the car where Charles and his wife have been shot. Rather, Matthew sits in his own car at a designated spot (per Charles' instruction) where he (having rehearsed the night before) waits for Charles to drive by and toss a "bag" into his (Matthew's) open car window. Matthew thinks this is yet another insurance scam Charles is involving him in. Matthew waits with car window open. Stuart shoot's his wife, them himself. He puts items, including the gun, his wife's purse, jewelry, etc. Into the bag. Charles drives to Matthew's location and tosses the bag into Matthew's open window. Matthew claims he did not see Charles' wife in the car and that Charles was alone. So this is quite different than the corresponding Wikipedia account. Not saying which one is correct - just that they are conflicting. 2600:8803:D800:1C80:352A:749:2DF6:4D28 (talk) 15:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Murder of Carol Stuart. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 01:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Stuart (murderer) → Killing of Carol DiMaiti – Please see WP:KILLINGOF and WP:DEATHS. Another possibility is Killing of Carol and Christopher DiMaiti. gnu 57 22:37, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Murder of Carol Stuart ~~DiMaiti~~. He was indicted for the murder, but he himself claimed that a black man murdered her. Either way, she was murdered. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Murder of Carol Stuart all the sources that I can read that give her full name name her as "Carol Stuart" (a very few use "Carol DiMaiti Stuart"). Is there a source I am missing that she is known by her maiden name? (We seem to be the only place that uses only "Carol DiMaiti" which should be fixed/discussed outside this RM but unless other sources are found, we should not not continue to be an outlier.) (Pinging (Genericusername57—Rreagan007)). Skynxnex (talk) 13:49, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That does appear to be her name at the time of death, so I agree with moving to "Murder of Carol Stuart". Rreagan007 (talk) 15:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Killing of Carol Stuart - Agree that Stuart is appropriate as that was the victim's name when she died. However, I have to oppose the use of "Murder" in the title per WP:NCDEATH, which only uses "Murder of [Name]" if there is a conviction for murder. Personally, I think we can all agree that her husband was guilty, but he was nonetheless not convicted. Nonetheless, it would violate WP:NPOV to formally presume guilt. estar8806 (talk) ★ 22:21, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But her husband also claimed that she was murdered. So whether the husband murdered her or someone else murdered her as the husband claimed, she was murdered. Rreagan007 (talk) 07:23, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Although Charles Stuart was never convicted of murder, a friend of his brother's, John McMahon, was indicted for various charges and plead guilty to "accessory after the fact of murder": Accessory to Stuart murder case pleads guilty (Charles' brother also plead guilty to various charges but I think not any with murder in the title). I think that probably satisfies having the page include murder in the title but not Charles Stuart and murder. Skynxnex (talk) 13:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing that out. I still think "Killing" would be better, but I am now not opposed to the use "Murder" in the title. estar8806 (talk) ★ 16:36, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it's close to the edge and wouldn't oppose "Killing" even if I'm still leaning toward "Murder". Skynxnex (talk) 16:43, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "Carol Stuart" is fine with me. Do y'all have any opinion on "and Christopher"? gnu 57 22:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have a preference against "and Christopher" per WP:CONCISE, and based on my (small) research, it's not the common name as most stories primarily refer to Carol and Christopher is mentioned further in. Skynxnex (talk) 13:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Murder of Carol Stuart. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Racial Misdirection

As documented in recent podcasts and the HBO mini series, the police investigation was racially misdirected by the police department chief, and supported by other political forces swept up with the broad public black rage spurred by the media. There is no discussion in the article of how an open black manhunt pursued for 2 months, with uncounted stop-and-frisk searches, based solely on Charles's allegation that even detectives found suspicious and that was too easily accepted.

The articles various sections accurately describe the events in the investigation, but fail to show them in the racial context surrounding the investigation.

For me, NPV also means not turning a blind eye to the racist social/political structure. The term 'racial' appears only once in the body of the article. A full section on Racial Misdirection or Racial Tensions is needed. 35 years later HBO sees this as valuable content. Wiki should too.

Can someone highlight the Wiki policies that frame how the (racial) social events of the case should be handled? 35 years after the case, is the absence of a Racial Context section an artifact of Wiki's policies? LarryLACa (talk) 02:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]