Talk:Charles Lester Leonard

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Review: July 31, 2021. (Reviewed version).

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Dracophyllum (talk · contribs) 00:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to do this review :) Draco phyllum 00:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Review

1) Images are well licensed and captioned, though I personally prefer the black and white portrait, since it has no glare.

2) The sources are all good quality, though I don't have access to: the Radiology at Pennsylvania 1890–1975, nor newspapers.com, so if you could send me those it would be good.

Thanks for this feedback. I also love the black-and-white image, but unfortunately that's not the subject of the entry; it's his mentor. They do have an uncanny resemblance though! PDFs of the Radiology at Pennsylvania publication are available chapter-by-chapter along the right side of the website. Early Years is Chapter 1.

For Newspapers.com, if you need to see an image of the article but don't have access to Newspapers.com or another such service, I would prefer to make clippings of the articles in Newspapers.com itself and then change the URL to the freely accessible clipping (rather than sending articles individually). That way it's there for readers in the same predicament. I think there are three Newspapers.com references. Would you like me to make clippings of all three? Larry Hockett (Talk) 02:20, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure if that's standard practise Draco phyllum 02:30, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Those three should be accessible now. Larry Hockett (Talk) 05:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

3) Prose checking

"Leonard had been the first American physician to identify kidney stones on an X-ray." Shouldn't this be "Leonard was..."? or do you mean before he died?

"Leonard left Penn in 1902." Is there a small reason you could add on to this sentence – it seem's a little abrupt

Other than that amazing prose – well done!

4) Can't find any MOS-takes here – this cleary isn't your first GA

All I have to do now is read through the sources to confirm you haven't made anything up ;) and then you should pass Draco phyllum 11:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that feedback. I can only find one source with significant discussion of his departure from Penn, and there is some speculation as far as his reason for leaving, but I think I have now appropriately worded the two likely contributors - getting busier in other roles (conference speaking, ARRS officer/president, journal editor, etc) and experiencing health problems from radiation. I also added in a bit from the Radiology at Pennsylvania source about Leonard helping set up the X-ray service at Philadelphia General. Larry Hockett (Talk) 06:24, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

5) Time to do some more OR checking @Larry Hockett:

a) "After his graduation from medical school, Leonard went to Europe to conduct laboratory work, and on the basis of his contributions, Penn awarded him a Master of Arts in 1892." I'm confused as to what he was awarded the Master for. The source says that he went to Europe after he graduated, and that the master was given for his graduation, though you imply he got it for his Lab work.

b) "where his mentor was surgeon J. William White." I can't find this in the source. Best would be if you could have page numbers for your citations, but this isn't rly needed for GA.

c) "In 1895, Wilhelm Röntgen produced the first X-rays" can't find this in the source, but it is in Rebecca (2001) so you should cite that as well.

d) "including a self-regulating X-ray tube that Leonard liked from the Philadelphia-based James W. Queen & Company." "Liked" could be reworded to something like: "that Leonard had success with previously from the..."

e) "He became interested in the classification of fractures and the use of X-rays for foreign bodies in the eye" my interpretation of the source is that he saw X-Rays being useful to classify fractures, not the just the general classification of fractures as something separate from the X-Ray.

...and that's it I couldn't find any other mistakes or problems :) Draco phyllum 11:43, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've addressed these now, but if not, let me know. I'm sorry about the reference inconsistencies. That's a big pet peeve of mine as a reviewer. I moved some content a few times trying to get the entry in chronological order, and I wonder if that's how I fouled up some of the citations. The sources are a little inconsistent on the subject of the master's degree and what it was for, so I just left it general. I could have sworn I read "mentor" in relation to J. William White, but I can't find it. What we know is that Leonard worked under White in the surgery department, so I reworded it. I added some page numbers to the longer references using the rp template. Thanks for your feedback! Larry Hockett (Talk) 13:30, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Larry Hockett:, excellent and well written work on such an important scientist :), passing now. Thanks, Draco phyllum 21:11, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]