Talk:Charity bazaar

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:47, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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• ... that the charity bazaar was a forerunner to the department store? Source: "Some of the innovations credited by historians of the latter nineteenth-century to the department stores developed first in the bazaars" (paragraph continues to list these innovations) "Closing in 1889, the Soho Bazaar itself was replaced by the newest innovation in consumer culture--the department store." (Crime, Gender and Consumer Culture in Nineteenth-Century England)
  • ALT1:... that women on display at a Victorian charity bazaar hard-sold wares to men in a way that they sexualized? Source: "The connection between women selling merchandise and selling themselves was already an old one in the nineteenth century. In eighteenth century Paris successful shopkeepers elicited fears that such sexualized commerce would lure all the male customers to the women's shops. With their multitude of young, female stall keepers, bazaars evoked similar anxieties. Even the charity bazaars held by genteel women were viewed as sites of marriage market commerce if not direct sexual commerce." "In Stevenson's 1866 allegory of the Charity bazaar he explain: 'And all this is not to be sold by your common Shopkeepers, intent on small and legitimate profits, but by Ladies and Gentlemen, who would as soon think of picking your pocket..., as of selling one of these many interesting, beautiful, rare, quaint, comical, and necessary articles at less than twice its market value." "Seeing and being seen, display of oneself, ranked in importance with display of one's articles and or fancy articles..." (Crime, Gender and Consumer Culture in Nineteenth-Century England) "However, circulating her own name as a specifically marketed product can risk implications of circulating herself in a public sphere. This threatens acquiring a reputation as a "public woman," a prostitute. Even charity work could carry the implications of moral taint when it overlapped with the world of commerce. As Gary R. Dyer states in his exploration of the charity bazaar in Vanity Fair, "Observers [of the Soho Square bazaar established in 1816] assumed . . . that the bazaars naturally would become sites of prostitution." As he goes on to explain, the bazaars became places where women could display themselves as well as their goods, so that "[p]eople perceived the women working in these temporary bazaars as the real merchandise."" ("The Charity Bazaar and Women's Professionalization in Charlotte Mary Yonge's The Daisy Chain")

• Reviewed: WVOK (AM)
• Comment: this page used to be a redirect to a Histeria! character. I rewrote it to be about the Victorian sales event. The source given for the hooks unfortunately does not have page numbers, but searching for a phrase in the Google book should be sufficient to verify it.

Created by Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 21:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC).

• Hi Rachel Helps (BYU), I will review this article. epicgenius (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

General eligibility:

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• Long enough:
• Other problems: - The article is new enough but I think you would need to ask for a history split at WP:REPAIR (they usually specialize in history merges, but also do splits). The old history (prior to your edits) should be at the uppercase Charity Bazaar page but with a redirect to the lowercase Charity bazaar page.

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: epicgenius (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

• I got the history split. Thank you!Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:08, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Page name

@Rachel Helps (BYU): Should this page be named Victorian charity bazaar? Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I think "charity bazaar" is the most frequently-used term. Are non-Victorian charity bazaars important enough for their own page? If not maybe we should simply note them on this page. 20:30, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Yoninah (talk) 22:31, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Clarification

Additionally, they sold items that were for sale in commercial bazaars. Shouldn't this say ...they sold items that were not for sale? Very interesting article, by the way. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 01:48, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

No, it is correct as-is. They sold items that were commercially available in other bazaars. Kind of like when you go to a farmer's market and someone is selling earrings you could buy on Amazon. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Ah, makes sense, I was a little confused as the preceding sentence was about selling hand-made items. I see where the above is mentioned in the source. Thanks. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 20:17, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

COI declaration

In this article, I cited an article by Leslee Thorne-Murphy. Her husband works as a curator in the library where I work as Wikipedian-in-Residence. I took a class from Leslee last semester, and that was after my work on this page. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)