Talk:Chaozz

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Fair use rationale for Image:Chaozz-logo.gif

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@Revirvlkodlaku:, explaining my copyediting of your text:

Wikipedia (at the moment) uses "Czech Republic", not "Czechia" (see here and here).

Regroup: when a group reassembles after being defeated (eg. in a fight/war)
Reform: when a group which previous split up, gets back together (eg. a music group)

Generally speaking, you publish a document/novel/newspaper, you release an album/CD/single.

Shortly afterwards = UK English
Shortly afterward = US English
- Wikipedia has no preference for US or UK English, meaning your original editing of this was unnecessary. However, it makes no difference really, so I won't revert it.

You wrote: "In 2017, Chaozz got back together. A year later, they released the single "Průvan", their first original material since regrouping."
My version: "Chaozz reformed in 2017, and a year later released the single "Průvan", their first original material since reforming."
- My changes were simply to make the wording and sentence structure smoother, and I changed "got back together" to "reformed" as it is more formal, precise, and therefore more encyclopedic.

I'm reverting. Hope my clarifications make sense. Cheers. Jdcooper (talk) 13:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jdcooper you for the explanation. I understand your rationale but I disagree with you. I've found numerous instances of Czechia on Wikipedia and there is no official preference for one term over the other on the website, so this is purely a stylistic change. All your other changes are, again, style preferences. Regroup and reform are largely synonymous and I used them interchangeably in order to avoid repetition. Publish can equally be used for albums, and again, I'm using the word in order to avoid repetition. I did a large overhaul to the article, choosing US spelling, so I feel it's entirely justified and your change is unnecessary. It seems strange for someone to not interfere with an article when it looks like crap but then to complain about minor style choices once it's been polished up. If you feel strongly about specific points that we are disagreeing over, I'm happy to discuss them, but it appears we are mainly arguing over style, which should not lead us to an edit war, so let's please try to avoid that. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:12, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Revirvlkodlaku Did you read the links to the discussions establishing consensus for "Czech Republic" over "Czechia"? No doubt it is possible to find other instances of "Czechia" on Wikipedia, those are also against the established consensus. What is wikipedia consensus for if individual editors can dismiss it as "stylistic preference"? And no, I'll say again, "regroup" is not synonymous with "reform". You are misusing it. A quick google of the definition says:
- Oxford languages: "reassemble or cause to reassemble into organized groups, typically after being attacked or defeated"
- Merriam-Webster: "1: to reorganize (as after a setback) for renewed activity; 2: to alter the tactical formation of a military force"
- Cambridge: "to organize something again in order to make a new effort, especially after a defeat"
Military forces regroup, bands reform. If a band "regroups", it would be to make a fresh start, eg. after some period of turbulence or scandal. Your other changes don't change the meaning, I accept that, but this one is the incorrect word. Jdcooper (talk) 14:32, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jdcooper I have not read the discussion on the Czech Republic/Czechia name, so no, I am not aware of a consensus on it. I'm not overly set on this issue, TBH, so if it's important enough to you, I won't fight you on it. The way I see it, Czechia is more or less equivalent to Slovakia, which is the default way of referring to that country, and eventually Czechia will be accepted just as broadly, once people who are resistant to the change learn to get used to it. As for the reform/regroup difference, I think they can and are loosely used synonymously, but again, if it bothers you enough, I'm not too set on it. My main thing is to avoid unnecessary repetition of the same word in a sentence, so I'd rather not have "released" used twice when "published" can do the job just as well. Thanks for not insisting on that. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Revirvlkodlaku It's (Czechia) is an interesting question. It's the new official name in English, but has remarkably little take-up in common use. Seems to have become politicised. I personally don't care either way, as you say it's the same as Slovakia. But makes sense to me to have a common position across the encyclopaedia, though I'm sure you are right that it will change eventually. Jdcooper (talk) 12:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]