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This article was nominated for deletion on April 17, 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Did you know... that the sound of fingernails scraping chalkboard may not be the world's most unpleasant sound?

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Good article

This is a good example of what Wikipedia is for. The author has taken something ordinary and well-known, found verifiable facts to report about it, and presented them in a very digestable form. Kudos. Now all references to "fingernails scraping chalkboard" in other articles have something to link to! - House of Scandal (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. First encyclopedia in history to have an article on this very notable sound. · AndonicO ^Engage. 01:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 02:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear.. never give congrats to an article on the talk page without some suggestions for improvement - it's a giant red target for smartie pants to show off: "This article is good? Hah!" and they then proceed to add complaining banner tags etc.. it's like an open challenge to show why it's not as good as you think it is. It's already started (see below). Fothergill Volkensniff IV (talk) 15:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bad Article

I don't know if HouseOfScandal meant to be ironic, but i actually think that this article is not suitable for wikipedia. I suggest to delete it since it doesn't present any matter of fact, nor any information thta can be considered useful by anyone. The fact that the linked research won the Ig Nobel prize means something to me. Diego, 16:12, 16 April 2008

The word is "sarcastic", not "ironic". And I find this article to be very informative. 206.252.74.48 (talk) 14:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Ignoble Prize is a notable event and lends verifiability to this issue. Newer editors might initially not understand what is and isn't suitable for Wikipedia -- although, of course, this is a neverending discussion. It's a good article. - House of Scandal (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this article exist? 64.229.206.154 (talk) 15:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This inquiry has already been addressed. - House of Scandal (talk) 15:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, not a good article. It makes a lot of absolute statements that are hardly valid considering the subjective nature of the perception of sounds. Besides, I don't really think that the article has to exist anyway. Perhaps someone should nominate it for deletion. --77.128.7.146 (talk) 10:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The intro seems far more interested in Jaws than it does the act itself. Seems to me the whole Jaws deal should be some sort of anecdote or example. Also; there really doesn't seem to be enough substance to constitute a full article. Maybe this should be merged with some other topic on sound or things that disgust (or whatever term you like) nearly all humans. 67.197.178.220 (talk) 03:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1. to whoever mods/approves this edit; i have never edited anything on Wikipedia and dont really plan to do so often at all. i have no idea how i should be voicing my opinion properly on this page, i just found it so ridiculous that i decided to say something.

Three things it needs

An .ogg file of the sound.

You could probably mention that famous scene in Jaws where Robert Shaw silences an entire noisy room by scraping his fingernails across a blackboard, as a fictional example illustrating the effect it has on people (There will not, howver, be a "Sound of fingernails scraping chalkboard in popular culture" section). Daniel Case (talk) 17:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If possible, some discussion of the reason why this sound is unpleasant: that it causes a strong tingling down the spine with involuntary spasms and shivers throughout the body (the primate distress call seems most implausible, as screaming, shrieking, and other shrill sounds do not have this effect). Paul Coddington (talk) 05:47, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There will not be "Sound of fingernails scraping chalkboard in popular culture" section?

Famous last words, Daniel! - House of Scandal (talk) 19:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changed "worst" to "most unpleasant"

I feel this is more accurate. Mylakovich (talk) 14:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

What in the world does this have to do with evolution? it is complete crap!. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.188.174 (talk) 02:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We're not interested in discussing your creationism beliefs outside the creationism discussion page 84.148.248.99 (talk) 09:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did that make you feel big? Now back to the actual topic, the idea that adverse reaction to a sound could be kept when evolution has changed everything else about an animal is farfetched enough, but for the entire article to be devoted to the subject could easily be described as 'complete crap.' A subject of this universal significance deserves more than a few half-assed theories. There must be better studies to cite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 04:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's a template at the top of this talkpage, with links to google scholar and google books searches. Have a look for some sources, and improve the article. :) -- Quiddity (talk) 05:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck did I just read?

I should be able to understand the context and points in an article at first glance. I've stared at this thing for several minutes now and I can only conclude the author either really hates jaws or has an affinity for illicit drugs! I clicked here from psycho-acoustic and I have not the slightest idea what this article has to do with anything. I suggest it is either re-written to convey the point it was intended to convey, or deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.204.193.229 (talk) 13 April 2010

Crazy jibberjabber extracted from article, and placed below for your convenience. -- Quiddity (talk) 02:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This was demonstrated in a scene from the film Jaws, where Robert Shaw's character brings a noisy room to silence with a long scrape across a blackboard. The chalkboard in Jaws is either a lastoplate coating, or porcelain on metal.
In Jaws, what irritates is primarily the thought of the sensation, not the sound. Arguably, however, there is an irritating sound produced by the nail, as Geraldine McEwan's character does in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves when she mixes a magic potion on a smooth plate, irritating audibly.

All that's needed in that one is the first sentence, and possibly a video clip of the scene. Daniel Case (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rename/Move

Why not just rename the article as "Screeching"? Abdullais4u (talk) 10:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

evolution?

Isn't it more likely that the sound reminds people of the unpleasant tactile sensation? I personally am bothered more by the countless memories of accidentally scraping my own fingernails while writing, but I'm not the one with the college degree. --75.168.246.88 (talk) 05:42, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Important topic, just no research to cite.

Unlike some of the people commenting here, I consider this an extremely important topic, but one for which no serious research seems to exist. As an expert in the field of audio I have been puzzled by the phenomenon for forty years (and keep intending to research it). Personal experience has led me to believe that although the effect exists in the general population to a degree, a neurological defect or hypersensitivity may be involved in many people. I have noted that parents of babies often find their cries unbearable, and that there may be a shift in sensitivity after childbirth or under stress. The effect does not seem to come down to simple frequency response issues - there are many more levels of auditory processing that can be involved. It is a common mistake to assume that we only sense what we hear as sound. Infrasound, for example is known to cause stress, though it is inaudible. These ideas are of course original research and so not valid in the article, but I hope that more will become known and so the article must not be deleted. My own preferred term for the phenomenon would be 'shrillness', but the title is unimportant as redirect pages can be used to good effect. --Lindosland (talk) 21:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have created an article called shrillness, which I consider to be a better and more concise description for the phenomenon. Currently it provides a reference to this article; but maybe in time this article should move there. The current cumbersome title is not good from the search point of view (in the UK we would refer to chalk on a blackboard or fingernails on a blackboard). I give my reasons for re-creating a formerly deleted article on its talk page. --Lindosland (talk) 22:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grima

The Spanish term "grima" describes that nails-on-a-chalkboard sensation.

Inge Schweiger Gallo of the Complutense University of Madrid—who uses the term in her research of the phenomenon—suggests this particular sense of unease should be recognized as a distinct emotion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-39141780 2600:1012:B117:6F70:C484:7D41:7F66:9E61 (talk) 15:28, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chalkboard scratching

Chalkboard scratching used to bother me until one day I scratched it myself and it seemed to immediately cure that annoying sound. It has never bothered me since. Unwrongfully (talk) 06:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]