Talk:Chalchiuhtlicue/Archive 1

Archive 1

Teotihuacan as an Aztec Capital?

I'm assuming the writer was confusing it with with Tenochtitlan and thus I deleted that from its respected sentence although I would like to know whether or not the information on Teotihuacan put forth in this section is still relative as there may be some confusion between the Aztecs and the Teotihuacan. 72.94.34.122 (talk) 06:02, 18 September 2012 (UT)

Teotihuacan as an Aztec Capital?

I think he either got mixed up with another time/place/story, misspelled Tenochtitlan or Maybe its a small name of a village inside/on edge of Tenochtitlan?? Or he doesn't have a clue about the Aztecs

Tomb discovered when?

The article currently reads: "This tomb dedicated to Chalchiutlicue was discovered a year ago." The sentence should be re-written to reflect the date. I have added a when template. Karl gregory jones (talk) 21:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

The chamber in the Pyramid of the Moon referred to was reported on in 1999. However, the article text conflates the description of it with another chamber discovered a year before that, also mentioned in the source that was apparently used. But neither of these chambers can be said to have been dedicated to Chalchiuhtlicue, nor (with any great confidence) even the whole structure. Chalchiuhtlicue was a Postclassic Nahua deity, whereas the (non-Nahua) centre of Teotihuacan's decline preceded the Aztec's rise by at over half a millennium. While it may be speculated that the water goddess depicted at Teo (and in particular in the monolithic statue recovered from that pyramid's plaza) is in some way a precursor to the Postclassic's Chalchiuhtlicue, they're by no means the same thing. Have rewritten the passage, also taken out Teo-related info that's not directly relevant here.--cjllw ʘ TALK 05:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Good work. Karl gregory jones (talk) 14:20, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Godess of Baptism?

According to the article "Chalchiuhtlicue (also Chalciuhtlicue, or Chalcihuitlicue) ("She of the Jade Skirt") was an Aztec goddess of water, rivers, seas, streams, storms, and baptism.[1]" citing Miller and Taube. How could she have been the godess of baptism since baptism was a christian Idea, unknown until after the conquest? Shouldn't this be removed? Senor Cuete (talk) 22:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)Senor Cuete

I've just checked against the source, and it confirms this, cross-referencing to baptism, where the same book describes indigenous forms of "baptism", which it takes to mean pagan indigenous purificatory bathing rituals, particularly of children. Simon Burchell (talk) 16:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Spelling?

"Chalchiuhtlicue (also Chalciuhtlicue, or Chalcihuitlicue)..." The third spelling is correct. Chalchihuitl is jade and icue is woman. Senor Cuete (talk) 21:57, 26 September 2012 (UTC)Senor Cuete

-icue means "her skirt", not woman. It is a little complicated to talk about the correct spelling, in cases such as this - in fact if we were to spell it consistently according to the meaning int would be two words Chalchihuitl īcue "Jade her skirt", however personal names don't always follow the standard grammatical way since they are often contracted and compounded in writing (and probably also in speaking). We'd have to choose the spelling that is most common in the sources.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:27, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

So you're comfortable with three spellings that would be pronounced three different ways? I've never see any of these except the third. Senor Cuete (talk) 00:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)Senor Cuete

I've never been a stickler for consistency, I must admit. chalchiutlicue gies 2,880 google book hits, chalchiuhtlicue gives 19,200. Actually I have never ever seen the exact spelling you have in the third with chalciuhitlicue - because jade is chalchiuitl not chalcihuitl - so that one is just plain wrong. It also gets only 7 google book hits, your second spelling gets 59 hits. I think it is safest not to move the article.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Typo - I meant chalchihuitlicue as per your suggested spelling. Senor Cuete (talk) 02:25, 27 September 2012 (UTC)Senor Cuete

That gets 3,640 results. Some of the 19,200 hits for chalchiuhtlicue (current title) are probably generated by the fact that we have that title, but my guess is that it is still the most commone by a comfortable margin. I don't see a compelling reason to rename.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 11:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)