Talk:Château Gaillard

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Chateau Gaillard in fiction

Hi. There is a confusion. The castle in Le Piège diabolique of the Blake and Mortimer series is La Roche-Guyon, not Chateau-Gaillard. M-le-mot-dit 17:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dismantled

Quote: "Château-Gaillard was dismantled 400 years later under Henry IV of France." The 400 figure is confusing. Does it mean 400 years after the castle was built (possible) or 400 years after the previous date, 1346 (impossible), or is 400 a typo? I'm guessing the first, it which case a simple clarification is needed, but don't want to change it just in case I'm wrong. Emeraude 11:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The demolition of the castle was done after 1590 and stopped in 1611 (but was continued under Richelieu). So it is 400 years after the castle was built, not 400 years after 1340. — M-le-mot-dit 16:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC) —[reply]

No architecture in this page?

What gives? This is one of the most significant buildings of the middle-ages. CJ DUB 23:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lead up to FAC

I've been able to expand the article more than I anticipated (I was just doing it as a primer for something else), and think it may as well go to WP:FAC. I'll list it soon, perhaps tomorrow or the in the next couple of days, but I would like the opinion of other people who've edited the article, particularly if they can speak French. Are there any gaps here that are covered in the French version? Nev1 (talk) 03:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You've done a grand job - well done. One point: in the penultimate paragraph talking of machicolations it says "An Eastern innovation, they may originate in the half of the 8th century". Presumably that should say first or second half...? Emeraude (talk) 18:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The French Wikipedia version does contain a few things that might usefully be added, under the section Destin de la forteresse. Of particular interest is the sub-section Ruines romantiques, which details the castle's listing with the Min. of Culture, its development as a tourist attraction and some arcaeological digs. I'll sort out a translation later if you think it's of use.Emeraude (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed it so it now says "the first half of the 8th century". If the stuff from the French article comes with a source, it sounds worth adding. With my rudimentary French I was able to add a little on excavations in the 1990s and that the site is now open to the public, but the English-language sources concentrate on the origins of the castle (arguable the most important stage in the castle's history) and the site is not particularly well known outside of castle studies. Nev1 (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bits and pieces...

Allmand, Henry V p. 130 says "In the course of the coming months [1419] the remainder of Normandy, including the whole of the Caux region to the north of Rouen, was taken, although Chateu Gaillard, built by Richard I to guard the Seine abvove the Norman capital, did not fall uuntil December 1419 after a seige of over a year." He doesn't have a footnote attached to this specifically. Nothing else of note in my stuff (Hundred Years War is a bit beyond my normal range...) Ealdgyth - Talk 03:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that helped clear up a little of the haze around the Hundred Years' War created by the encyclopaedia source. Nev1 (talk) 19:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any reason why you deleted a link to an adventure game Chateau Gaillard. I realise it is only a game but it was connected with Chateau Gaillard (at least the inspiration for the game was). Who knows, somebody playing it may be inspired to visit the real Chateau Gaillard. It's a bit pedantic if you ask me (but I not going to pursue it) :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbucket14 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone plays the game and is inspired to visit Château Gaillard that's fine, but the existence of a link here is not going to facilitate that, is it? Emeraude (talk) 08:54, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Blood red rain

My source says 8 May 1197. You can handle it any way you like, it doesn't matter to me.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:07, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dover Castle

According to my source on page 261 Dover Castle was constructed 1179-1191. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

LOL Strong and saucy Castle!? Wikipedia hits a new low

The so-called encyclopedia that anyone can edit really is the encyclopedia anyone can edit.

So according to the petty/potty princes who lord it over this page (in total violation of WP:OWN but now is not the time to bring that up) think the best translation of the Château Gaillard is to says it's the "Strong and saucy Castle".

Haha are you kidding me!?

Even the most cursory search reveals that: only about 641 results for Strong and Saucy. And most of them are forks from this page onto other quasi-wiki sites.

Whereas there are 8,310 results for the name that's in the guide book: Castle of Impudence.

To write an encyclopedia requires understanding of the subject not the ability to crib/steal/plagiarise facts from published works. But showing understanding of the subject is an affront to WP:OR, hence the "most highly regarded editors" on this site are those with the brains of a donkey ass.86.182.41.178 (talk) 11:27, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@86.182.41.178: It is a peculiar name, but there are plenty of sauces which give the name as the simpler "Saucy Castle" including G T Clark (1884), Plantagenet Somerset Fry (1974), John Gillingham (1999), Michael Prestwich (1999), Robert Liddiard (2003), Nigel Saul (2006), Marc Morris (2015).

An adjustment of the Google search returns ~600 results for "saucy castle" "Château Gaillard" -wikipedia and 28 for "castle of impudence" "Château Gaillard". Asbridge's different translation should give pause for thought, and the page should include a reference for the current translation. Nev1 (talk) 12:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added "strong", but I left "saucy" that preexisted. Saucy is not a satisfying translation, the meaning of the French word "gaillard" is strong and nothing else, and the meaning of "a gaillard" is "a strong man" (that stands well on his legs). "Strong castle" is the real meaning of "château gaillard". The IP should learn French it would make him able to criticize.Nortmannus (talk) 21:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Might I suggest that the 'sauces' that give the translation of gaillard as 'saucy' don't speak very good French? It's more like 'robust' or 'hearty'. I've changed it to 'hearty' as I think that's the closest one word translation you're going to get. It's pretty close. Saucy really is completely wrong, no matter if other sources have translated it as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.48.172 (talk) 17:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]