Talk:Cerball mac Dúnlainge

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Notes for expansion

Will be deleted. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is Cerball the Kjarvall of Grettir's Saga? Viking Empires, 86-88 says no. Does anyone say yes, i.e. what do Hudson (PoB, 135), Anderson (ESSH, I:328) say?
- Anderson, 328, note 2: "It is clear that Kiarval who is said to have been attacked in the Barra Is. in 871 is the Irish king Cerball; but the story of Kiarval is probably false. [Then list of annals, conveniently enough]". Quotation of Grettir's saga is 320-321.
Hudson, PoB 137, "Several matters are apparent...he raided throughout Ireland, and this suggests that he was a truly great lord, on a scale rivaling the ui Neill princes. A second point is that without the record of the FA, Cerball's power would not be evident from the other surviving Irish records. [...obit in AC with MSmMR and AFmN, last Irish king in the original recension].

Note: his marriage arrangement into the High King's family is overwhelming evidence of his high status on the scene. All annalistic references are biased in some form, and Osraige's sudden rise to power in Cerball may be down played in other annals, as he disrupted the Irish order.Ri Osraige (talk) 19:29, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rodolb's base Dunrally?.
http://www-same.dur.ac.uk/medieval.www/sagaconf/ulfmoller.pdf = The Celtic Impact on the Church in Iceland and Greenland Jens Ulff-Møller
Harrison, Millhill Burial in context.
McTurk?
PoB (after Hudson), follows Áed. This is very unconvincing, even for Berchán.
Anderson Cogad quotes, etc: 276-277, 279 (Indrechtach), 280, 305ff, 351, 878 (Iona), 404
Family.
- Marriage Land/MS linked to Rathugh (Downham, p. 12).
- Culén m. Cerbaill d. 886 (obit AFM s.a. 884: May Cuilen be under the protection of God /from the pains of hell of ill favour, /We did not think that Cuilen would thus have perished /we thought he would be king.)
- Domnall son of Bráenán son of Cerball (FA 443), foster-son of Aed f. Dub Gilla
- Diarmait f. Cerball had Domnall killed? (FA 443) Diarmait d. 928 (AU) king 894 (AI)
- Dianim, daughter of Dub Gilla d. 912 (FA 441), g.d. Cerball (FA 443)
- Mor, daughter of Cearbhall, son of Dunghal, Queen of South Leinster, died after a good life. (AFM s.a. 916)
- Cellach f. Cerball (d. AI/AU s.a. 908)
- Cennétig son of Gáethíne (i.e. the son of Cerball's sister) (FA 308)
Oenach Raigne c. 861 (FA 280)
AI859.2 Cerball, son of Donngal, with the men of Mumu on a hosting in Uí Néill, from the feast of Martin [November 11] till the feast [ ], and he harried it as far as Sliab Fuait, and the North submitted to him.
Rawlinson B. 502 GENELEACH OSRITHE@: Domnall mc Donnchada m. Gillai Pátraic m. Donnchada m. Cellaig m. **Cerbaill** cuius filius Diarmait m. Dúngaile m. Fergaile m. Anmchada m. Con Cercca m. Fáeláin m. Crunnmaíl m. Rónáin Rígflatha m. Colmáin cuius filius Scandlán... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angusmclellan (talk • contribs) 18:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The tree displayed on this page is somewhat helpful, but messy. Can someone please arrange it so that it isn't so tightly jumbled together? Ri Osraige (talk) 19:27, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]