Talk:Central Maine & Quebec Railway

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2012 Sainte-Rosalie abandonment

Montreal, Maine and Atlantic Railway#History has the line from Farnham to Sainte-Rosalie as abandoned and for sale. This article has:

The CMQR will own and operate the following rail lines:

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Ste-Rosalie Subdivision (26.4 mi (42.5 km) Farnham, QC to Sainte-Rosalie, QC)

I'm tempted to put one of those ugly {{cn}} tags on "will operate" as (so far) there's no reliable info as to whether the new operators will rebuild and operate the broken line to Ste. Rosalie. K7L (talk) 22:32, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Track are too damaged right now, but since CP is going to take over operations soon, they will probably fix soon. IJxrxmy (talk) 02:02, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 9 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. It was highlighted that WikiProject Trains' style guide prefers the usage of "and", whereas MOS:& prefers the usage of the ampersand. No consensus emerged as to which style should prevail. As was noted in the discussion, a more widely scoped discussion on whether to use "and" or "&" for titling railway station articles may help this question to be resolved more decisively. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Central Maine & Quebec Railway → Central Maine and Quebec Railway – Longstanding consensus has been to use "and" in place of ampersands in article titles for railroads. I attempted to boldy move the article title and was reverted without any explanation. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Style advice#Article name. Courtesy ping to Useuntarge who reverted the move. — Qwerfjkl talk 20:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Long-standing consensus to use "and" for article titles in these cases. Mackensen (talk) 10:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose: I'm not aware of this "longstanding consensus", which is presumably a local consensus described somewhere, but it sounds contrary to the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. WP:& says to "retain an ampersand when it is a legitimate part of the style of a proper noun, the title of a work, or a trademark, such as in Up & Down or AT&T." The self-published logo and all but one (four out of five) of the cited sources that name this railway in their headlines use the "&". This should be handled together with Talk:Decatur & Eastern Illinois Railroad#Requested move 9 August 2023. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:02, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral comment - I don’t actually have a preference regarding the outcome of the RM, but it sounds like we have conflicting guidance between MOS:& and Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Style advice#Article name. I think that conflict needs to be resolved before we can decide whether to move or not. I would therefore suggest this RM be put on hold, pending a wider consensus on which guidance should apply. Blueboar (talk) 18:21, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, MOS:& states: retain an ampersand when it is a legitimate part of the style of a proper noun, the title of a work, or a trademark, such as in Up & Down or AT&T. In this case & is used in the trademark as demonstrated by the crest in the infobox. Useuntarge (talk) 05:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Ampersands are generally only retained in very limited circumstances. This is not one of them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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