Talk:Celebration (Madonna album)/Archive 1

Archive 1

The Third Testament?

According to a certain Internet group the title of this album is to be The Third Testament and will be a 3 CD collection. While this is just "rumor" the same sources accurately released the information that Madonna's last album would be called Hard Candy. If anybody comes across any information online relating to this please add to the article along with links. Apex156 (talk) 08:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you possibly give us the link to were u got this infomation from. I'll try and find some other sources that state this infomation. --Sticky&Sweet12 (talk) 12:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Iconography?

Now, i think it's time we talk about this. A group of editors are adding the title of the album as "Iconography". Now they are not providing reliable source for this and this is also a rumor. So, what are we going to do about this? --Sticky&Sweet12 (talk) 10:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Complete revert. No other qualms about it. If they still persist, they have to be blocked. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Croatia was the first country where Celebration was released. Sales started at midnight 17th/18th this month, 2 days ago. You might want to mind that.

Yeah, along with Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Slovenia. YOU might want to mind that. RayOfLight (talk) 16:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Is this CD going to be 2002-2010 or whole career

Everyone is saying so may different things? Is it going to be just the last three records and Imagine and Hey You or will it cover her whole career with Warner? Jdcrackers (talk) 19:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Please be reminded that this is not a forum to discuss such things. Discuss only stuff which are for improvement of the article. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Well you don't have to get snappy about it... I have been contributing to this site for years and I just had a question and is this a discussion page or not so please be reminded that this is a discussion page!!!Jdcrackers (talk) 17:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Please assume good faith while posting. I know it very well that it is a discussion page, but only for discussing things related to the development of the article. I assume you must not be aware of WP:NOTFORUM. I'm sure there are tons of other sites like pulsemusic or blogs where you can ask these questions. Cheers! --Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This question should be addressed to contrast it to GHV2, like a spray of fresh water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.138.128.151 (talk) 16:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Celebration?

I'm not entirely sure that it's the album name since I don't know whether or not MadonnaTribe.com is a notable site or just another unreliable fan site, I don't mean to be bias but I don't feel like that's the official album title. Thoughts? --Taylor Karras (talk) 15:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I think Celebration is just facruft! MadonnaTribe is a fan site...--12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 20:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

As a long time Madonna fan who frequents multiple Madonna sites, I have witnessed myself that 98% of all rumours posted on MadonnaTribe are true or very close to true. I think we can be assured that in the coming weeks we'll discover that the new single is indeed Celebrate and the collection is called Celebration. It's a shame as I really liked ICONOGRAPHY as the title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.91.165.36 (talk) 10:17, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry and broken

The songs I'm sorry and broken as mentioned in Attitude magazine were confirmed to be the same song. It was a misprint in the magazine. It is rumored that song was to be titled Broken (I'm Sorry), although it would appear that this song will not even make the "Celebration" (Greatest hits) collection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.91.165.36 (talk) 10:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, the article Celebrate (Madonna song) should be deleted as per fancruft. --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 19:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

A Celebrate Article?

Should there be a article created for the new single? A remix has now leaked. "Celebrate" (Oakenfold 12" Dub Remix), we also have infomation about the music video and a 20 second preview has been leaked. So is it time for an article yet? --Sticky&Sweet12 (talk) 04:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

At present the information available for the article fails WP:SONGS to have its own article. Let's wait for a few days, maybe untill the songs goes for adds to the radio, then we can start. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:19, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

2-Disc

I read yesterday that Guy Oseary (Madonna's Manager) confirmed that it was a 2-Disc set. Josemrdj (talk) 18:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Album title confirmed

The title has been confirmed to be Celebration.--Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Revolver

Revolver has NOT been confirmed as the second new track on the album. The official press release does not mention it at all and Billboard says it is rumoured to be on the album - this is NOT a CONFIRMED track listing. Paul75 (talk) 11:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Not only have madonnatribe AND drownedmadonna both confirmed that Revolver is indeed on the album but madonnatribe also confirmed it will be released as a single. It's been officially confirmed that Celebration will have 2 new songs and Ciaran Gribbin(one of the producers of Celebration and Broken) has already confirmed that "Broken" will not be on the Celebration album so that only leaves Revolver as the second song. Keep crying all you want about "official confirmation" but Revolver WILL BE on the album. You'll see —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.216.148 (talk) 17:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Number of tracks

The article says that the album will feature 34 tracs. That is not correct. The front page of Madonna.com states that it will feature "34 songs that changed the world plus new music", and the press releases says that "two new songs" will be included. This means that the album will feature a total of 36 songs.--130.226.70.114 (talk) 14:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Corrected. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Possible track listing for Celebration

According to www.eil.com the unconfirmed track listing for the Japanese CD album CELEBRATION is as follows

Info: Tracklisting unconfirmed, but scheduled to include: CD 1:

1. Everybody
2. Holiday
3. Lucky Star
4. Like A Virgin
5. Material Girl
6. Crazy For You
7. Into The Groove
8. Live To Tell
9. Papa Don’ t Preach

10. True Blue 11. Open Your Heart 12. La Isla Bonita 13. Who’s That Girl? 14. Like A Prayer 15. Express Yourself 16. Vogue 17. Justify My Love 18. Erotica 19. Rain

CD 2:

1. Take A Bow
2. Don’t Cry For Me Argentina
3. Frozen
4. Ray Of Light
5. The Power Of Goodbye
6. Beautiful Stranger
7. Music
8. Don’t Tell Me
9. Die Another Day

10. American Life 11. Hollywood 12. Hung Up 13. Sorry 14. 4 Minutes 15. Give It 2 Me 16. Celebration (New Track) 17. Revolver (New Track) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonc123 (talk • contribs) 14:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Final tracklisting revealed

Fansite MadonnaTribe.com, which is one of the most reliable sources regarding Madonna-related news, has revealed the final tracklisting of the double-disc version of the album.

CD 1: 01. Hung Up 02. Music 03. Vogue 04. 4 Minutes 05. Holiday 06. Like a Virgin 07. Into the Groove 08. Everybody 09. Like a Prayer 10. Ray of Light 11. Sorry 12. Express Yourself 13. Open Your Heart 14. Borderline 15. Secret 16. Erotica 17. Justify My Love18. Celebration

CD 2: 01. Dress You Up 02. Material Girl 03. La Isla Bonita 04. Papa Don't Preach 05. Lucky Star 06. Burning Up 07. Crazy for You 08. Who's That Girl 09. Frozen 10. Miles Away 11. Take a Bow 12. Beautiful Stranger 13. Hollywood 14. Die Another Day 15. Don't Tell Me 16. Live to Tell 17. Cherish 18. Revolver

They also mention that the international release date has been changed to September 21st. There's still no official confirmation of this news, but it will definitely be officially confirmed within a very short time. Until then, it shouldn't be included in the article.--130.226.70.114 (talk) 19:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

MadonnaTribe is not an official site. It is a fansite, and as such cannot be regarded as reliable. MadonnaTribe have since taken down their post on the "official" tracklisting, which indicates to me they have been threatened into action by Warner. The tracklisting that was on this page is not reliable, and I don't think it should be reinstated until we have official confirmation. Paul75 (talk) 09:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

MadonnaTribe has NOT taken down their post on the tracklisting Paul75. That is a lie! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.216.148 (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Unsigned, whoever you are, when I wrote the above, the link to the alleged tracklisting was directing to an error page. It was not available, read into that what you will. Madonna Tribe's "exclusive" was wrong anyway, so much for them being a reliable source. Paul75 (talk) 10:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that MadonnaTribe were wrong. They only aspect of their exclusive that wasn't accurate was the order of a few songs. All songs mentioned in their exclusive were confirmed to be included on the album.--130.226.70.114 (talk) 19:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Full/Final Tracklisting CONFIRMED

http://www.teamsuprememusic.com/index.php/2009/07/30/celebration-madonna/

36 tracks, 2 new (Revolver and Celebration)

Also, the radio version of Revolver will feature Lil Wayne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.207.239 (talk) 14:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

More fancruft. This is a fan-run website, it does not cite any sources or link to any official statement. Therefore it is not confirmed. (talk) 22:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

TRACKLIST CONFIRMED BY MADONNA.COM

http://www.madonna.com/news/title/celebration--track-listing-for-cd--dvd-announced

The order is a bit different than on MadonnaTribe.com, but the songs are the same and Revolver is the second new song. Also DVD tracklisting. RayOfLight (talk) 05:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks. Atleast we have a confirmed source now. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Seperate Article for Celebration DVD?

I believe that we should begin a seperate article for the DVD for "Celebration". I was just thinking if it was possible if we can do this? --Sticky&Sweet12 (talk) 08:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Only the tracklisting has been confirmed. Let's just wait a few more days when I believe more info regarding the DVD, versions of the videos etc will come up and we can start a new page. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

iTunes releases

Please note that the Deluxe and Premium versions are exclusive to the US and Canada. All other iTunes Stores list the so-called "Bonus Tracks Version" mentioned in the article.

In Belgium, however, the Deluxe Version is the only version available. The Belgian edition of the Deluxe Version features the same tracks as the Bonus Tracks Version, but omits "Frozen".

This indicates that Celebration might not get a physical release in Belgium, since "Frozen" may not be sold or aired in any form in Belgium.

--130.226.70.114 (talk) 06:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Revolver does not feature lil wayne only the demo version has little wayne madonna took the demo reworked the lyrics and reworked it without lil wayne —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.63.54 (talk) 17:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Madonna.com already confirmed that Lil Wayne is indeed featured on the album version of "Revolver". Furthermore, according to the Warner Chappell and ASCAP databases, the song was written by Carlos Centel Battey, Steven Andre Battey, Dwayne Carter, Justin Scott Franks, Brandon Kitchen, and Madonna. The Battey brothers are better known as The Jackie Boyz, whereas Dwayne Carter is known to the public as Lil Wayne.--130.226.70.114 (talk) 19:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

certification

RIAA counts each album twice if it is a 2-disc edition and has over 100 minutes; now, considering Celebration with 2 CDs meets this criteria, if, say, it sells 500,000 copies in the US, will it receive Platinum certification? --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 10:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:45, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Article intro

...states that this is the third greatest hits collection. Wouldn't Something to Remember count, thus making this Madonna's fourth hits compilation? Thoughts? - eo (talk) 17:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

It's true that Celebration is Madonna's fourth compilation album overall, not including You Can Dance and Remixed & Revisited. However, Something to Remember was a collection of ballads, not a greatest hits collection. Some of the songs included on Something to Remember were not even released as singles.--80.63.69.205 (talk) 17:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I figured that may be the general consensus. No worries. - eo (talk) 12:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Covers

Celebration was released yesterday in Slovenia and I can confirm Madonnatribe were right, the cover on the page actually isn't the right one, as there are actually lyrics written all over the cover and the standard edition in grey tone is also out. Should this be changed or should we leave the wrong cover? RayOfLight (talk) 08:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

It's a glitch. In the article, it displays as the non-text version, but clicking on the photo actually shows the official version. I'll fix it. MaJic Talk 2 Me. I'll Listen. 18:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Song versions

Most songs on Celebration are included in their album versions, but not all. Shouldn't it be noted somewhere in the article if a song is featured in a version that differs from its album version? This list reffer the tracklist of the Corrected Version!
CD 1:
01. Hung Up (Unmixed Album version)
02. Music (Mastering Error)
03. Vogue (1990 Q-Sound Mix)
04. 4 Minutes (Radio edit)
05. Holiday
06. Everybody (New edit, previously unreleased)
07. Like a Virgin (1990 Q-Sound Mix)
08. Into the Groove
09. Like a Prayer
10. Ray of Light (Radio edit)
11. Sorry (Single edit)
12. Express Yourself (New edit, previously unreleased)
13. Open Your Heart (1990 Q-Sound Mix)
14. Borderline (1990 Q-Sound Mix)
15. Secret (edit)
16. Erotica (Radio edit - Mixed with Justify My Love)
17. Justify My Love (Mixed with Erotica)
18. Revolver (New Track)

CD 2:
01. Dress You Up (Mastering Error)
02. Material Girl
03. La Isla Bonita
04. Papa Don't Preach
05. Lucky Star (1987 Dance Mix Edit)
06. Burning Up
07. Crazy for You (1990 Q-Sound Mix)
08. Who's That Girl
09. Frozen
10. Miles Away (Radio edit)
11. Take a Bow
12. Live to Tell
13. Beautiful Stranger
14. Hollywood (Unmixed Album Version)
15. Die Another Day
16. Don't Tell Me (Radio edit)
17. Cherish (New edit, previously unreleased)
18. Celebration

• The songs "Holiday", "Into the Groove", "Like a Prayer", "Material Girl", "La Isla Bonita", "Papa Don't Preach", "Burning Up", "Who's That Girl", "Frozen", "Take a Bow", "Live to Tell", "Beautiful Stranger" and "Die Another Day" (13 songs) are all in their original LP Versions!
  
• The songs "Hung Up" and "Hollywood" are in their unmixed versions, which means that they aren't mixed with other songs ("Get Together" for "Hung Up" and "American Life" for "Hollywood") like in their original versions.
  
• Due to a mastering error, the LP version of "Music" has multiples clicks and pops that weren't on the original version.
  
• Due to a mastering error, the LP version of "Dress You Up" lost the three first beats of the intro.
  
• The LP Version of "Justify My Love" and the Radio Edit of "Erotica" are mixed.
  
• The songs "4 Minutes", "Ray of Light", "Sorry", "Secret", "Miles Away" and "Don't Tell Me" (6 songs) are in their Edited Versions!
  
• The songs "Vogue", "Like a Virgin", "Open Your Heart", "Borderline" and "Crazy for You" (5 songs) are the Q-Sound Mixes!
  
• The song "Lucky Star" is in the Dance Mix Edit Version, unlike what are many persons saying. This version is very rare! It's a short version of a remix made for You Can Dance (but wasn't released on this compilation) and was released on the promotional 1987 compilation "It's That Girl" instead!
  
• The "Celebration" version of "Everybody" is based on the Album Version, but edited down to the length of the Single Edit Version.
  
• The "Celebration" version of "Express Yourself" is a mix of 2 versions: it has the intro of the Local Mix and then switch to a shorter version of the Remix Edit. It seems to be inspired by the video version.
  
• The "Celebration" version of "Cherish" is based on the Album Version, but edited down to the length of the Q-Sound Mix.
  

--130.226.70.114 (talk) 08:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Tracklisting/Versions

There is no details of the versions in the official tracklisting nor the CD or iTunes versions. All tracks are remastered, so are considered new versions of all the tracks. Not one of them is "1990 Q Sound Mix", although they may be similar edits. As no edit information has been detailed in any of the tracklistings, it should NOT be mentioned on the page. Could users please stop adding this mis-information on the page as it is not official, edits are often used in Greatest Hits packages, but as none are detailed in the tracklisting, it is not appropriate. Thanks JWAD ^talk 11:26, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Tied with Elvis as solo artist with most UK no.1 albums

After Celebration went to no.1 in the UK, it was reported that Madonna has now tied with Elvis Presley as the solo artist with the most UK no.1 albums (11 in all). However, this figure also includes the Evita soundtrack which is not technically a Madonna album as other artists are featured on it. Madonna doesn't even perform on all of the songs. The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) also list Evita as an OST (original soundtrack album), not a Madonna album. The BPI are the highest authority as far as music sold in the UK goes, and they have a searchable database for certified records here: [1] (type in "Evita" and select "search by title"). I have no problem with allowing the reported "Madonna ties with Elvis" news story into the article, but it should also include the highly notable detail about her tally including Evita so that readers of the article can make up their own minds about whether or not she really has matched Elvis's record. Please also note that suppression of this detail by rabid Madonna fans will be considered a violation of WP:NPOV. Thank you. 80.41.66.87 (talk) 06:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced additions are a complete violation of WP:V and will be reverted whether you like it or not. So stop adding unsourced content, else such addition will be reported to ANI. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

From what I can see in the edit history, the OP did source the information and you still removed it. I can also see you received a warning about edit warring due to this particular edit, so stop making ridiculous threats or you will be the one who gets reported. Much like the Michael Jackson article pages, the Madonna articles tend to attract mental fans who want to turn them into a shrine for their idol. It will not be tolerated. Wikipedia is meant to be an impartial encyclopedia, not a Madonna fansite. I have also removed the information about her equaling Elvis Presley (which is a matter of opinion/POV anyway, even if it has been reported in the press) from the lead section as it is mentioned later in the article and including only half of the information in the lead section is a violation of WP:UNDUE. If you want to have the details of Madonna's so-called record of matching Elvis Presley in the lead, then you need to include it properly and not just the bits that are flattering towards her. GoldCoaster (talk) 20:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

It's an old topic, but I still feel need to respond here. Well, although BPI claimed Evita is performed by "soundtrack", The Official Charts Company clearly credits it as Madonna album.[2] The OCC is the official source for UK Music Charts, not BPI. Bluesatellite (talk) 07:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Is # 1 in Mexico already

Hey, why do you write numer two in Mexico, you can go to AMPROFON(http://www.amprofon.com.mx/top100.php?item=menuTop100&contenido=lista) , the store of cds in Mexico and you'll see that in top ten she is in 1st place of albums.So, I will change that part —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.217.151.200 (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Platinum in Poland

Celebration album is now Platinum in Poland and its peak position is 3. - you should write it. Moosiak (talk) 12:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide a link for both? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

It's on the Polish Music Charts site. Added. --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 14:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

China Albums Chart?

Does China have an albums chart? Or just Hong Kong? I saw this: (in Romanian) [3] and it seems that Celebration is very promoted there. It could be a big hit. --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 15:32, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know China doesnot have a legitimate chart. Also that Romanian site is a fan-site. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Revolver next single?

Although it has not been officially confirmed yet, it seems likely that "Revolver" will be released as the second single off Celebration. Warner Music Australia has released the song as a promotional single to radios, David Guetta played his remix of the song during one of his DJ sets, and a photo of what may well be the official cover of the single is circulating online. Madonna's manager, Guy Oseary, has posted a comment on Twitter which indicates that the David Guetta remix is official.--130.226.70.114 (talk) 16:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The above mentioned cover art was fanmade, but for some reason, Warner Australia attached the image to their mail to all radio stations and digital media outlets about the release of "Revolver" (along with a digital copy of the song itself).--130.226.70.114 (talk) 20:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Gold in Denmark

Celebration was certified Gold by IFPI Denmark on 28 September.[4]--130.226.70.114 (talk) 20:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The link is not working. Could you try from www.ifpi.dk? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

But the link is working. It says:

Album – guld:

02.09: Michael Jackson “The Essential” (SME)
02.09: Michael Jackson “Bad” (SME)
02.09: Michael Jackson “Dangerous” (SME)
08.09: Div. kunstnere “Paradise Hotel” (WMG)
28.09: Madonna ”Celebration” (WMG)
I added it in the certification table. --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 12:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh is it?? Wonder whats wrong with my connection. Thanks 123abc for adding it. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

New peak position in Norway for the album!

Could someone please fix the album's new peak position in Norway? It peaked this week @ #3, here's the link: [5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.26.186.66 (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 15:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

GOLD IN MEXICO

ON NEXT PAGE SEE THE TOP 100 OF MEXICO, AND CELEBRATION RED CIRCLE IS WHAT IT MEANS IS GOLD IN MEXICO [6] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 19:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Is that a permanent link? Or does it have archives? --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 16:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Japanese chart position

Anyone knows the peak position for this album in Japan??? I was wondering why this hasn't been posted yet! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.26.186.66 (talk) 16:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Professional reviews section

this section seems to have been tampered with. please whoever you are, it is obvious you love Madonna. And thats a great thing. but this needs to stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mo8500 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

could you be more specific please? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

All the reviews were changed to 5 stars on 5 by someone, including the one by NME. It seems to be ok now. Mo8500 (talk) 10:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm with you, Mo8500. All the reviews quoted in the Critical reception section were just the ones that are just downright positive about this compilation. Having read the reviews, I also found out that some of them had their doubts about something (Rolling Stone and The Guardian, for an example), and some were not even close to the 'hurrah, what a great compilation album' mood. So I've added them, giving the section a more balanced view. I hope that this section won't be unbalanced again, for if it does I will ask for a reassessment. I mean, how can ányone give an article that is unbalanced, and perhaps even biased, the recognition of being a 'good article'? Robster1983 (talk) 07:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Tried to balance it even more by also mentioning the negative sides in a positive review, and the positive sides in a negative review. I think this sums it all up. General reviews were mostly positive, mostly earning 4 out of 5 stars (instead of the full five) because of ommited songs, the inclusion of certain songs, or the strange sequencing of the songs. Mixed/negative reviews agreed that her early years outweigh her later career, although there are strong songs after 1990. Robster1983 (talk) 07:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Revolver to be released in December

Warner Music Germany's latest B2B newsletter states that "Revolver" will be released as a single in Germany on 11 December. This corresponds to information published by the UK record industry trade paper, Music Week, which states that "Revolver" will be released as a single in the UK on 14 December.--130.226.70.114 (talk) 16:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide a link for these statements? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

No, those webpages are accessable only for subscribers. Both are published in print as well, but also only for subscribers. However, I expect this information to be published by Madonna.com within a few days. I know that it is no official source, but a friend of mine works professionally as a DJ has been told by Warner Music Denmark that promos will be sent out to DJs by the end of next week. --130.226.70.114 (talk) 18:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I still know that it's no official source, but I just received an e-mail from Warner Music Denmark stating that "Revolver" will indeed be released as a single. They haven't received final confirmation of the release date, but it will be released in Denmark on the same day as in the UK. --130.226.70.114 (talk) 14:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, since there are lack of sources our best bait is to wait for untill third party sources or official release statements come up. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. --130.226.70.114 (talk) 20:31, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Warner Music Netherlands confirmed today via Madonna.nl, the website of the official Dutch Madonna fanclub, that "Revolver (One Love Remix)" has been released to Dutch radios. The track is credited to Madonna vs. David Guetta and comes in two different edits, one of which features Lil Wayne. The commercial release date is TBA, but it has been confirmed that no video will be shot. http://www.madonna.nl --130.226.70.114 (talk) 15:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

There you go, promo release it seems. Can you provide a permanent link? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's one. Translated, it says:

After weeks of rumors has it really been officially confirmed: 'Revolver' is Madonna's new single and continues today in all promotion! Warner vs. Madonna to go today. David Guetta - "Revolver (One Love Remix)" to radio stations. There is a version "featuring Lil Wayne" and 1 without the rapper. The digital release (download) date is not yet known. There will also-as expected-no video.

PopMusicBuff ^talk 23:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Warner Music Netherlands just confirmed via Madonna.nl that "Revolver" will be released as a digital single on 14 December 2009. No physical single will be released. [7] Translated, the article says:

The following digital singles of "Revolver" will be released on 14 December:

1 track
1. Revolver [One Love Remix]

Exclusive to iTunes:

1 track:
1. Revolver [One Love Remix] feat. Lil Wayne

2 track:
1. Revolver [One Love Remix]
2. Revolver [Feat. Akon]

BEWARE!
No physical single will be released!

--130.226.70.114 (talk) 21:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Where's the Revolver site????? --80.135.185.253 (talk) 05:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

UK end-of-year charts

The source given for this (UKchartsplus.co.uk) is not an official UK Charts Company website, despite the fact it incorporates similar logos. They are an independent website run by four music fans (or "chartwatchers" as they call themselves). Their "FAQ" section makes it clear that they are not affiliated with the Official UK Charts Company, as does the "Background" section (here: http://www.ukchartsplus.co.uk/background.htm). The website was used as a source to claim that "Celebration" was the 40th best selling album in the UK in 2009. However, the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) - who are the offical music industry authority in the UK - compile their own year end charts, and "Celebration" is not even in the Top 40. The BPI year-end charts (from 1999 onwards) are here: http://www.bpi.co.uk/assets/files/Yearly%20best%20sellers%20-%20albums.pdf 88.104.21.251 (talk) 23:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Dude, the Year-end charts are taken from OCC only, same chart is published in Music Week, in NME also. Moot point. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

It is not a moot point and you are using an unofficial website as a source. It is irrelevant if they copy material from Music Week or any other publication, they are not official. Dude. 88.104.25.59 (talk) 12:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

No, you are using a wrong claim that the BPI uses track sales when they are strictly a shipment based certifying body. That's why the list differs between BPI and OCC always. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are wrong. The BPI track both, and their Top 40 all time best sellers will show this. Robbie Williams' "I've Been Expecting You" has been certified 10x Platinum by the BPI (3 million copies shipped by 2004) but actual sales are only 2.56 million as listed in their most recent top 40 all-time best sellers list in 2009 (http://www.bpi.co.uk/assets/files/top%2040%20albums.pdf). They track both shipments and retail sales. You will see a similar disparity between certified shipments and actual sales on that list. You need to do your homework. 88.104.25.59 (talk) 12:22, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol, no. The sales are tracked by OCC, not BPI. Publishing them doesnot make BPI a sales-tracking body. Same for RIAA, they certify while sales are tracked by Nielsen. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:25, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

You seem to be under the illusion that the OCC are a separate organisation to anything else. The OCC are a joint venture between the BPI and the ERA (Entertainment Retailers Association i.e. - shops). Need proof? It's right here on their own website: http://www.theofficialcharts.com/theofficialchartscompany/ . The BPI are the ONLY official recording industry authority in the UK and the OCC compile weekly sales figures FOR THEM. And the OCC only compile weekly sales figures. The BPI then accumulates them into overall totals, and they also provide certifications based on information from record companies who are members of the organisation. This is part of the BPI's function - to monitor record sales in the UK. Is this not clear enough for you? 88.104.25.59 (talk) 12:41, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

And what is the difference between weekly and yearly sales? That tabulation is ultimately done by OCC only right? And you are again wrong to assume that the BPI certifies based on sales. If that was the case, many undercertified albums would have correct certifications, case in point The Fame which has sold over 2,634,988 copies exactly, but is still certified for 1.2 million shipments. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Once again, the OCC are part of the BPI. The OCC do not publish an annual sales list, only the BPI do - based on the weekly data given to them by the OCC. UKchartsplus.co.uk is not part of either the OCC or the BPI. They are not an official site and cannot be used as a reliable source. For anything. Furthermore, the BPI will only award a certification when a record company applies and pays for it. If Lady Gaga's record company wish to certify The Fame beyond 4xPlatinum, they have to apply to the BPI to do it. The BPI then check the sales (shipments - i.e. sales to shops, not to customers) data for the album from the record company distributors, and award the appropriate certification. But this is a moot point as the reverse applies with respects to the Robbie Williams album that was used as an example above. 88.104.25.59 (talk) 13:00, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

UKchartsplus has now been deemed unreliable and has been added to the list of sites to avoid, as per WP:CHARTS. In future, the only appropriate source to use will be the BPI's own website. 88.104.21.185 (talk) 14:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Tracklisting

The album credits on the tracklisting keep getting changed by another user Status. This person keeps changing it to liner notes from the Celebration which are highly inaccurate. I am trying to keep them accurate by using the proper credits i.e. "Justify My Love" was written by Lenny Kravitz, Ingrid Chavez with additional lyrics by Madonna but on the album notes its documented as the writers as Madonna, Lenny Kravitz, Ingrid Chavez – inaccurate! Also, "Die Another Day" was NOT produced by Madonna and William Orbit, it was M and Mirwais. It is going to get really boring if I have to put references on each track from ASCAP or earlier album notes which are accurate. Please note I am not doing this to be a pain, just trying to keep it accurate! Please stop editing this - Many thanks JWAD ^{Communicate|Nicely} 20:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I have added in some references to stop the tracks being reverted JWAD ^{Communicate|Nicely} 20:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Cover art

Now, generally, I would agree to use the standard album cover for the infobox. However, the deluxe edition of the album is generally seen as the main version, and the "standard" is simply a shorter version for a less amount of money. I can't speak of other countries, but I've never even seen the standard in a store. Not at the time it was released, nor now. So because of that, I think we should be using the deluxe over the standard in this case.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

If your assertion is really true, then we can use the deluxe cover art. We need to see which ever version is sold more and promoted more. Like here in my country I have seen the deluxe version only. However, I believed that only the standard cover art is needed, hence I reverted the user who added the deluxe cover art. We need more regular users to comment. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 03:44, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

The case in my country is the same, I've never seen the standard version here. Even if you search in Google, the deluxe version is the one that shows up. It would probably work better. --Watquaza (talk) 03:51, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and if I recall, the album was promoted fully using the deluxe artwork. Similar to that of Dance Again... the Hits. The deluxe is used because it was released in all countries; the standard wasn't.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:56, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Can we have input from the Madonna wikiproject and the regular contributors? Like why the standard cover was uploaded, or was there any consensus previously, stuff like that. We need to take them into account. WE cannot use both of them that's for sure since they fail NFCC##a, and not different like the MDNA covers. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 05:59, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Same, in my country. I have only seen the deluxe version in stores.--Prima.philosophia^D.C 07:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I've seen mostly the standard version in stores here in Brazil. Jorn ^talk 14:06, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

There you go, so the other version is equally popular. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 16:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Not equally, until now he's the only one that have seen that version that much. --Watquaza (talk) 02:32, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

(→) Yep I can understand. But I don't know whether all the regular users of this page has been notified or not. So if all of us come to the consensus for the second cover, we can use it. My bet is that the most popular one is the deluxe cover only, but oh well, I'm fine with anything being added, as long as I find my CD of this album, grrr. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 04:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

In Southeast Asia, Warner Music Indonesia only released the double CD version, so did in Malaysia. Bluesatellite (talk) 05:57, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

So can we come to a consensus as to which cover art can be used? My hunch is for the yellow one since I see taht one in the music stores. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 08:33, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I totally agree that the deluxe edition artwork should be used. It is the common version and is what was used in all the advertising campaigns. The usual rules do not apply to this release as its not a studio album. I completely support the deluxe version being used. jwad.... ^{blah | blah | blah} 10:52, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Also support the deluxe artwork for the same reasons. --Watquaza (talk) 05:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Fine, so we can use the deluxe yellow artwork. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 06:38, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Tracklisting

Can we not do the same with the album's tracklisting and have the deluxe version as the main tracklist? It seems so stupid to have the standard version as the main as its an edited version of the main album. Thanks jwad.... ^{blah | blah | blah} 14:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Yep, we should. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 17:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)