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I rejiggered your references with citation templates so that they would be rendered properly. I commented out your original text; you'll be able to see it when you edit. If you're unhappy with the changes, you can easily revert them by clicking the "History" tab on the article page to see the edit, then click "Undo" next to my edit. I named every reference tag to make it easy to match the tags with your original list of references.

Just to be clear, when Wikipedia editors talk about "notability", what they're really looking for is some independent third party writing about your article topic in some publication that they respect or recognize. Adding references to support your statements in the article is very good, but it will only help this article at AfD if the references are from reliable secondary sources. In practice, that excludes most blogs and discussion groups. Yappy2bhere (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if Google's results [1], [2] will be enough to establish notability. Cody's book appears to be self published, but Black Belt mentions him in an article about Otsuka [3] and after he was named Tennessee's "Father of Karate" [4]. It seems likely that there was additional newspaper coverage in Tennessee that isn't available online. Yappy2bhere (talk) 19:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did find a print text that referenced Patterson. I'm still trying to figure out how to do the techinical aspect of lining up the in text citation with the works cited at the end of the text. I don't think that I quite have it down. I included the in-text citation and the works cited. I think that the reference to the state of Tennessee and the Reilly reference should cover cover notability. Thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NiJuShiHo (talk • contribs) 18:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your reference displays correctly now. The author's name may be spelled incorrectly, though. If this is Karate training : the Samurai legacy and modern practice (1985), re-issued as Complete Shotokan karate : history, philosophy, and practice, then the author is "Rielly" and not "Reilly". I can't account for the variation in the title. Amazon seems to have it as a paperback, Complete Shotokan Karate: The Samurai Legacy and Modern Practice, so it may have taken a different name in each incarnation. Yappy2bhere (talk) 19:21, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]