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Gender Pronouns

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Hey. This article about a Transman consistently misgenders him and uses his deadname. Stop it. 162.208.41.70 (talk) 00:56, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • My understanding is that the most original copy of Catalina's memoir (from 1829) uses masculine gender inflections to match the narrator's gender, which would mean the most recent source form Catalina declares her as male. As Wikipedia policy states that we should "accept the person's latest identification of their gender, as documented in reliable sources, at face value," it seems that the gender of pronouns in this page should be changed. I'm basing this off of the translator notes in the start of the Beacon Press printing, page xlvi, not on an actual reading as I'm an English speaker, but I'd still say that's a reliable source. Is there any contrary evidence that indicates the page shouldn't use male pronouns for Catalina de Erauso? -- Micahabresch (talk) 00:42, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd agree that referring to Erauso by she/her pronouns seems inappropriate. He/him would be the best choice in my opinion, since Erauso's memoirs use masculine gender inflections. However, failing that, perhaps the same pronoun-free approach as has been taken in the cases of the Chevalier d'Eon and of Dr James Barry might be an option. 82.69.42.99 (talk) 19:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Erauso chose to be known as Antonio de Erauso and return to living as a man. From my understanding, he seems to only have used his birth sex to get out of a death sentence. I (hopefully) changed all of the pronouns to he/him and corrected his name where I could. If I missed anything, I'll get to it at some point. Using gender neutral pronouns is still misgendering and disrespecting him, as he made it abundantly clear he was a man. Had his life not been at risk (to my knowledge of his character), I sincerely doubt he would have outed himself as being assigned female at birth.--Arsaic (talk) 05:24, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • As the recent back-and-forth had left the article a bit mangled—some pronouns were changed to "dhe" instead of "she", to "hef", etc, many paragraphs and even sentences mixed "she" and "he" indiscriminately and inconsistently, and some pronouns referring to people other than Erauso were wrongly changed—I undid some of the changes, although wherever there was ambiguity over who was being referred to, or the surname had not been used in a while, I used the surname rather than pronouns. I have no objection to consistently changing the pronouns. I also think avoiding pronouns is a fine approach. -sche (talk) 21:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Someone, repeatedly, went in and mangled the pronouns since my initial edit and removed any references to him being anything other than a cisgender woman. I fixed it again. We need to either completely stick with no pronouns (which feels transphobic to me, as he referred to himself masculinely in memoirs) or use he/him. She/her pronouns are inaccurate and violate the Wikipedia policy that Micahabresch brought up in 2018. I, unfortunately, expect to be back here to do this all again in another 2 years when someone inevitably mangles this article once more. Arsaic (talk) 06:22, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

fake basque name

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The basque version of the name: Katalina Erauso, is a full inventión. The use of K to replace the C is the late twentieth century and is set for political reasons, not orthographic: to get away from the Spanish phonetic rules. Catalina de Erauso always wrote his name with C, never with K. In addition, the use of "de" was mandatory to indicate the origin of the person or his lineage. The spanish version is: Catalina de Erauso, and the basque version is the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.61.197.190 (talk) 11:46, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are right that this Basque name is full invention: human language is full human invention, and the same can be said about any name. All the names in all languages are full human invention, including Catalina de Erauso as well. Anyway, if you Google, you will see that there are several things named Katalina Erauso: a piece of theatre (Katalina Erauso pastorala), an school (Katalina Erauso eskola, in the native city of Erauso)... So the Basque version of the name is nowadays often used to honour her in several contexts, and it will be helpful for the reader to know that they refer to this historic person. --Xabier Armendaritz(talk) 12:31, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Name

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Shouldn't it be Alonso de Erauso?

Aquataris (talk) 14:52, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It should be Antonio de Erauso, as that was the name he chose to go by for the remainder of his life. Arsaic (talk) 06:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Duly moved. RexSueciae (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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