Talk:Case modding

On external links

{Created by Steue (talk) 11:11, 24 August 2022 (UTC)}

External Links

Just so people are aware, at the bottom of the page is very good information regarding unacceptable links. Once again, wikipedia is not about advertising your website.

"Unacceptable external links:

• Forums about casemodding as per links to avoid #9.
• Sites selling casemodding hardware as per WP:SPAM.
• Most sites that aren't in English as per WP:MOS-L.
• Links to sites solely because they have casemodding contests,

as per links to avoid #1. This especially applies if they also sell hardware, or have no other useful content for people other than contestants."

Strict link removal....

The way some people are overaggresively remove any links from this wiki... it's absurd... If you call virtual-hideout, or gruntville or burnout spam ? Than casemodgod, and mashie's link are also spam, which were left unharmed again after someone removed all of the links... Than if that's spam as well than those links should be removed as well. Which I did.

Absurd isn't it?

Stop deleting helpful links !

Many sites get deleted, WHY ? Links that founded casemodding and whatnot, all being deleted.

Spam? give me a break. These are sources of information, many of them are non profit .....

EDIT: not sure how else to talk to you all, i fusionmods under the sites which is a modding site with guides, and a case gallery/voting system and it keeps getting removed i dont know why, but i do find it pretty stupid since it is a valid resource and if you scanned the forum you would see that that site is completly dedicated to the modders there.

/reply to above mention: Thanks for some recognition. It's not to easy being the small fish in a big pond. It's been a year since I hit this page and I'm really suprised that it looks just about identical. I've written some ideas in here about restructuring the page a bit with some better detail on modding. I'd love some stronger discussion on the topic so if anyone would want to hit me up, just name the forum and I'll be there. 136.1.1.154 14:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC) faceless105 - fusionmods.net

Also i'd like to write some stuff on LCD Mods, including full LCD screens, ps1 screens (5"), and character LCDs but i feel it would be a waste since you guys will only delete it considering it spam... i'd like to know what it takes to be considered a "modding site" in your guys opinions, i mean you guys barly even cover the basics in modding... yeah you have a couple pics of cases, big deal, put some useful information on there like guides and common tools... in the mean time if you guys are interested in some LCD Mod Guides you all know tha ti can be found at fusionmods.net

Bit-tech

Does anyone, apart from the poster, think that bit-tech.net is a worthy link? The current claim of being the "UK's premiere hardware review site" stinks of self promotion... and it's inaccurate anyway when you consider sites like hexus.net, trustedreviews.com etc. I'm sure I removed it at least once before but it keeps bouncing back and I didn't want to violate the three reverts rule. MansonP

Reply: have you any idea what bit-tech has done for the 'modding world' ? bit-tech.net/modding/ is probably the showcase for the worlds best ever case mods bar a very, very few - and those few probably were on the bit-tech forums but *not* allowed to be published by their makers for whatever reason. Also, bit-tech and trustedreviews.com are under one roof, and together form the biggest joint UK publication in their market area.

External links

In light of the huge number of edits to the external links section, I'd like to suggest the guidelines for adding external links. While the external links section was definitely out of hand deleting them all isn't a solution either, unless you like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

These are a distillation of the official rules, with specific examples pertaining to this article.

Acceptable external links:

• Howto articles explaining the process of various types of casemods (e.g. how to add hard disk windows). There should be no more than 3 or 4 links of this type in the article.
• A variety of examples of the process of casemodding (e.g. "I put a computer in this toy H2"). Again, having eighteen of these is excessive, we should be fine with say 4 or 5.
• Sites containing galleries of example casemods (e.g. look at all of these casemods people submitted!). More than 2 or 3 of these is probably excessive.
• A few links to hardware review sites or magazines directly about casemodding and/or overclocking (e.g. HardOCP). This should have no more than 2 or 3 of the most notable sites.

Unacceptable external links:

• Forums about casemodding as per links to avoid #9.
• Sites selling casemodding hardware as per WP:SPAM.
• Most ites that aren't in English as per WP:MOS-L.
• Links to sites solely because they have casemodding contests, as per links to avoid #1. This especially applies if they also sell hardware, or have no other useful content for people other than contestants.

Examples being deleted?

Why are good examples being deleted as 'site promotion' ? How is it site promotion to link to a good example of something especially when the 'external links' were approved by a Wiki editor in the first place? but then Qtip come sand removes them? Don 't you think examples help to understand what is being talked about in the subject at hand?

Tapeware link? Relevant? How? 86 it.

the subject. 68.121.167.223 01:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the "Examples being deleted" statement

I guess I am guilty of the site promotion per the editor here. I have been modding for years, have been featured in a magazine, made mods for majors companies, and even given away a custom modded case with about $5000.00, and some one of a kind, hardware at QuakeCon. My site IS about modding and we have how-to, guides, and a forum about it. On staff we have some of the BEST modders know and they have been also featured in magazines. But I guess you have to be some one like Bit-Tech to be talked about...I am surprised that HardOCP is not mentioned here as they are far better than the stuffy brits at Bit-Tech, but hey that's just MHO. Americanfreak 70.190.152.226 02:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

So what do I have to do to get my site listed like Bit-Tech?

I want to do the right thing and get listed like Bit-Tech does, but how do I go about doing this? Who do I contact, do I make up my own page, do I have someone else do it?

Does anyone even read this page that controls this section? Please contact me at mi-americanfreak at modders-inc.com Thank you!70.190.152.226 18:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC)Americanfreak

External links, part 2

Maybe it's useful to post links to casemodding only sites. Ones that have been around since the upcoming of casemodding. +/- year 2000

I'll add a couple of casemodding relates sites and see if you guys agree with them. These were added in conjuction of the rules set a couple of lines above.

- Bit-Tech UK - One of the biggest casemodding sites out there, straight from the start, completely dedicated to casemodding.

- BurnOutPC.com - Been around the same time since virtual-hideout started, been casemodding oriented ever since the start.

- ModTheBox.com - Canadian based website, completely dedicated to casemodding, large too.

- PCApex.com (Formerly known as PimpRig) - Were very casemodding orientated and still are. large forum, many casemods. etc etc.

- Virtual-Hideout.net - Along with bit-tech, burnoutpc.com and long gone PCPowerzone. The first sites dedicated to casemodding. These guys were showing you the goods long before other tech sites copied the interest in doing casemodding related reviews.

Case Modding Forums do not break "links to avoid #9"

A QUESTION ?????

Links to avoid: "9.Links to search engine and aggregated results pages."

How do case modding forums cross "links to avoid criteria number 9" ??????

They don't as far as I can see.

Anyone involved in actually undertaking this art is using forums for ideas, to show their work, to meet likeminded people. I think this article is sadly lacking in appropriate resource for people interested in the subject as a result.

--Zigzagzen 11:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

There has been another one added, #9 is now #10: "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET." I don't doubt that they are helpful for other case modders, but that's not the criteria that Wikipedia uses to determine which external links it displays. --TexasDex 00:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Tex thanks for the clarification. However I would like to introduce a distinction for consideration:

Forum's on specific ground-up lead activities such as computer modding are the authorititive sites (I mean "sources") because the activity is an underground one.

they are not for social networking, they are for the exchange of information, resources, links, tips, skills and ideas within the realm of this subject, i.e. their purpose is to help people "do this" better not meet other people who do this. They are the most use to people interested in the subject. For none to be linked is somewhat absurd if the wiki here is to be informative.

If we could agree this distinction could we then contemplate linking to a few of the principal sites on this ground?

darn ... forgot to log in its zigzagzen :) --87.194.189.87 22:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The list

OK so our site did not make the list even though we have many "how-to" and "modding basics" articles plus forums. Sure our site has only been up for just over a year, but we ran casemodgod.com for over 3 yrs. Heck even our name tells you we are about modding. Most of the sites on the list don't even have a section about helping modders become modders. My partner and I just took 1st ands second place at quakecon, made mods for companies and...I guess I better stop here before I get banned for good. . Americanfreak

/Reply:

I suggest thinking of a new list of links, with links to "famous" modifications, or famous modding projects. I think your work is a great addition to this page because your mods are known are well known :).

Removed MNPCTECH & Xoxide

This is a site with mostly commercial benefits for the owner. So I think it shouldn't be in the list. The link was even put at the first spot..... Useless

Xoxide is a webshop, no commercial links....

Someone keeps adding xoxide. It's really annoying ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.56.213.94 (talk) 12:04, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

What is wrong with this article?

This fine article I ran across by accident. Though my second profession was consulting, I had no idea home-built computers had become an art. This is truly fascinating, as was the article. What I don't understand is 'did not cite any references or original sources', 'may contain original research', and 'its tone or style may not be appropriate'? What? Because the initial criticisms weren't signed, it's difficult to know whether they are referring to the current article; but, there appears criticism that external links were to old, initial web sites: aren't historical sources original sources? Does the article contain original research because the author has done some of this work himself? Finally, how the tone or style of the article cannot be exactly what the Wikipedia hopes for is beyond me.

The talk section reeks of spiteful jealousy. Could people please sign their criticisms: you can do this even now. Could you be very specific about your criticisms, such as proof why a website is undesirable (and it has to be un-historical to be this), why this is a poor representation of the subject, what exactly is missing or misrepresented, ... you get the picture. Geologist 06:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

{The second part of this contribution was moved to the appropriate chapter (within this talk page) (below)}

This article should be locked for anonymous editors!

Lots of garbage links, adding of foreign sites and whatnot.

The article should be locked for anonymous edits and against abuse....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.162.211.223 (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

SketchUp??

??? what does sketchup have ANYTHING to do w/ casemodding? And what the heck is the guy above talking about?

Deleting of links

Once again someone has been deleting all the links that point towards real sites about case modding. Really, how childless is that, but then again maybe all the links should go away as they seem to never be right or get edited and deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Americanfreak (talk • contribs) 16:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that so many of the links were contrary to various Wikipedia guidelines. This is not in judgment of the sites themselves, only that they fail the strict Wikipedia standard for inclusion, usually because they are ad supported or are forums which require registration. If you disagree with that standard, you can argue your case at the page for that here (The External Links Noticeboard). The standard is quite strict (two websites I run are not allowed here), I agree, but that is to prevent Wikipedia from becoming inundated with spam and personal promotion. --Seaphoto^Talk 21:08, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

So taking what you just said then all the links in the Reference section should also be deleted as they all point to sites that either sell items, have ads or have forums. As for the "ad supported sites" 99.9% of the sites on the internet have ads to help offset the cost of running the server and such. I think that if the site DOES have useful information such as how to's and other articles about the hobby of case modding they should be allowed. Now if it just links to images or non tutorial info then remove it.

First, if you sign your posts I will know who I am talking with :-).--Seaphoto^Talk 23:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't disagree that many of these sites have a lot of value, it's just that they are not allowed by the linking consensus developed by Wikipedia editors over the years. My main site has a few banners on the home page, and couple more on two selected pages (for exactly the reason you cite), out of about 100 pages very rich in relevant content, yet it is not allowed either (if you go to my user page you can check it out and see what I mean). The non commercial nature of Wikipedia sets the bar very high for links. Too high? I think an argument could be reasonably made, and if you feel strongly about the policy I encourage you to state your case on the talk page for that policy.--Seaphoto^Talk 23:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, since I am logged in I thought that it would add my user name to the post. I (Americanfreak)run the website Modders-Inc.com and have been in the modding scene for many years, probably one of the pioneers..lol Anyways I don't really care if there are links to case modding sites here or not the few click that are gotten here each month do not mean too much. I just hate when people mess them up or do as the last one did and delete them all and then post links to a crappy site and to one not even started. But to reinforce what I stated about the reference links most of them go to commercial sites. So according to the what was stated they violate the rules more than the links to actual modding sites. BTW what site do you run?

No, you have to manually sign the posts, by either clicking on the signature icon, or by inserting 4 tildes; that signs your posts and also date stamps them.

You have a good point about the references, but I think the standard for them is a bit looser, as they are used to support specific facts in the article, facts that could be challenged and removed without that support. At any rate, that is why I would hesitate to remove them. I don't run a modding site, but a site about radio control ship modeling (http://www.warshipmodelsunderway.com), it would be relevant to the article on radio control boats but for the consensus policy.

After checking out your site, I think it actually is a good link for this article - minimal amount of adverting (certainly no more than sites such as IMDB, which is widely linked on Wikipedia, and less than mine LOL) - so I am going to insert it into the article. --Seaphoto^Talk 05:57, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Anything else

{Created by Steue (talk) 11:11, 24 August 2022 (UTC)}

Redo this page

This page is abysmal! There's so much to the world of case modding, this is a horrible representation and explanation of it!

Answer to Redo this page

/note: Well your true, there is so much more to casemodding. Maybe it is interesting to speak about the orginal sites that were there in the beginning, like Virtual-hideout, Bit-tech, Gideontech, BurnOutPC, PCPowerzone, Pimprig etc ?

Also the change in Casemodding, first there was the beginning where things such as window kits, neon lights and different fan grills were revolutionairy. Then came the original Cliff Baybus, the first PCMods LED Fans which were extremely expensive at the time, and very different than fans you see today. And ofcourse the introduction of Premod products that 75% of the CM industry is bombed with, or the raise of Watercooling and Phasechange in the world of casemodding.

So many to talk about, but nobody to do it.

Another Answer to Redo this page

I think a good approach would be a bit more indepth response to the types of modding. The types of mods listed are pretty poor in my opinion and should cover more in the range of, Case modding, Case Fabrication, painting, detailing (metalwork/fabrication, but not a full case fabrication), cooling, electronics (such as custom wiring, switches, and char lcds), so fourth. Commonly with modding you usually have over clocking as well. Since modding isn't exclusive to the hardware I feel like this is something that should be covered as well.

I think another direction that might be worth looking into would be talking about some of the larger names in the modding world like sheldog, americanfreak, and even deathstarchris. These guys (and a good number of others) have really shown off what modding can yeild. I know that sheldog is the one that got me into modding initially and they've all inspired a ton of mods with their mods. They're really raised the bar and i think it'd make more sense to talk about them then a few sites.

As far as the origional sites I think they should be shown by category they are more relevant to the mods. Of course bit-tech would hit the best all-round category, but some of the other sites out there don't get any props. Just becayse you were on the scene first doesn't mean you do it the best. 136.1.1.154 14:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC)faceless105 - fusionmods.net. I'd love to discuss any modding ideas further.

Cases with a window and the radiation problem?

There are some standards that say, how large the case's ventilation holes can be. I also think that metal case acts as a Faraday cage and reduces the electromagentic radiation. Is it safe to use a computer with a window on its side panel?

PS. How can I use noise reduction systems (like the BeQuiet), if I want a case with a window? Any advices? Henri Tapani Heinonen 10:47, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I suggest you go to any of the external links, and ask these questions there?

A thin piece of metal cannot be a faraday cage. --66.208.76.129 19:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

And, yes, 'Mr Dude', take it from a professional scientist, a 'skin' of aluminum foil blocks RFI from escaping and ESD from getting in. Whether a plexiglass side allows your computer to interfere with your neighbor's television is a very good question. I should expect 'case modders' use RFI meters or simple AM radios to test where to place generating components or whether to use a lead-doped window or even a pretty, metallic 'screen', as my microwave oven uses.

In short, the 'warnings' are currently on the wrong page. In my opinion, they should be moved from the article page to the talk page. Gentlemen, this is the moment in history when all of you should cooperate in documenting the history, even anecdotal, of 'case modding'. Believe it or not, many don't know it exists. Geologist 06:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Image

The article needs a picture of the good old classic case with a window mode and some lights to demonstrate the beauty of case modding!

Done. It's a stock case, and a rather common one at that, but it has a window, light-up fans, stealthed drives, and all the rest. If anybody has anything cooler, let them add it. --TexasDex 19:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

LCD

Should we make a page about LCD display shizzle? I dont know what name it has, but you usually put it in the computer at the 5.25" drive bay and it can show info such as fan rotation speed, cpu/mobo temperature, etc.

Article System monitor created...

Rewrite: Types Of Case Mods - subsection: 'Case Building'

This paragraph is really badly written and full of unsubstantiated opinion/informal register. My writing is sub-par, anyone up to it? --boiled_elephant (talk) 04:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Sections need merging

"Common modifications" and "Types of case mods" are the same and should be merged. Pol098 (talk) 14:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Implementing of nature

The implementing of fauna/flora seems to be useful aswell in casemodding; one particular organisation doing this is The Biomodd community. The first biomodd's however seem to have little merit to improving the computer as a whole; they just extract heat which is used to make the plants grow faster. However, when liquid cooling is integrated, I think it is possible to have the plants/possible fauna (ie microorganisms, ...) extract heat allot faster; and perhaps it's also possible to have nutrients inside the water for the cooling, rather than using distilled water. Perhaps someone can look up the specifics of the latest biomodds, and write a section about usefull biomodds for case modding. 91.182.70.158 (talk) 07:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

New topics

{Created by Steue (talk) 11:11, 24 August 2022 (UTC)}

Change from "list bullets" to "chapter" style

In the article Enthusiast computing #Case, power supply, cooling, and other case accessories there is an image, whose text mentions "tempered glass".

In the article Tempered glass #Uses there is a bullet which mentions computers and could and should be linked (back) to both of these computer articles:

• Enthusiast computing #Case, power supply, cooling, and other case accessories and
• Case modding #Common modifications.

Problem:
In both of these articles' sections there are bullets.
But bullets can not be a target of a link (without having to first place an anchor).

Although I'm a great friend of bullets, in this case I see above dis-advantage and another one:
The headers do NOT appear in the table of content (toc),
although these chapters in "Case modding" are worth to appear in it's toc.

This is, why I consider it better to change the representation of these chapters from "list bullet" to "chapter" type - which I shall change right away.

Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 13:21, 24 August 2022 (UTC)