Talk:Carson–Newman University/Archive 1

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The section on controversy does not belong in an encyclopedia, unless someone's interested in writing a significant history on the school's relationship with the TBC.

Also, the athletic section should be expanded significantly, but for more than just football - a complete list of the school's championships would be appropriate for an encyclopedia.

A section on notable alumna/e would also be valuable. Ezratrumpet 17:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC) (CNC class of 1995)

I think that those sections that are already included, should be kept. The portion on the controversy is a valid portion of our school's history, Ezra.

What should also be included are the degrees offered, areas of interest, the campus layout, etc.

Tpen 05:12, 20 July 2006 (CNC class of 1996)

The TBC controversy isn't unique to CN. The section on the TBC controversy should be a separate article discussing the TBC's relationship with all of its educational institutions. That article should be linked from the CN wikipedia entry, with a neutral comment of the changing nature of the relationship. For that matter, the entry could use a long history section. --Ezratrumpet 18:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Other school controversies may deserve mention, too, such as the recently removed info on no-confidence vote in the Pres. See http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=5501238&nav=0RYv , http://wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=5567873&nav=menu7_4_9 , http://www.abpnews.com/1416.article , http://ethicsdaily.com/article_detail.cfm?AID=8210 , etc.--orlady 05:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletions

The Netherton information should remain, and the TBC controversy should be rebuilt into the article. We can take this to arbitration, but this is the second time someone has tried to delete the Netherton information. I've a suspicion that the deletion is with good intentions, but it's an encyclopedia, not an admissions brochure. Ezratrumpet 01:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

No need to assuage any sensitivities. The next step is protecting the article. Any anonymous edits that make that significant a change are politically motivated. The Netherton delete is the only edit credited to that IP. Ezratrumpet 02:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:CarsonNewmanCollegeLogo.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Notable people

Sections such as "notable faculty" and "notable alumni" in college/university articles are not for listing the Student Council president, your favorite professor, or a member of a recent graduating class who has become a successful local businessperson. Please try to limit these lists to "notables" as defined by WP:BIO. The fact that the names added repeatedly today are all "red links" is a strong hint that they aren't notable, which is why I have removed their names. If there's something about current students Kat Kimsey, Jared Pickens, and Heath Trentham and the various professors that indicates they are notable by WP criteria, please add that information to the article and cite reliable sources. Otherwise, their names will be deleted yet again. Wikipedia is not a bulletin board. --Orlady (talk) 21:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Discussion copied from User talk:72.150.231.247

In a recent edit summary, you said "Creative professionals whose work has become a 'significant monument' for the college are included as notable." I am not familiar with any part of the Wikipedia notability guidelines that supports this statement. Where in Wikpedia's policy or guidelines did you find this? Further, you stated: "Please note that notable people under the Wikipedia criteria include more than athletes." This is true. Note that although notable alumni lists for some colleges do seem to be dominated by athletes, the C-N list of notables does include several Congressmen.

Whether people are notable or not, when information about them is added to a Wikipedia article, it needs to be sourced (see WP:V). Unsourced information can (and should) be removed. Also, note that continued disruptive editing can lead to being blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Orlady (talk) 04:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

J. Michael Evon is not and has not ever been a web designer. He is an artist and graphic designer whose work is currently on display as one of the few permanent installations on the Carson-Newman campus. His work has appeared in, Print Magazine, How Design, and Southern Living (Each of these are national or international publications). Each of these criterions are listed as applicable under the notability guidelines of Wikipedia listed under creative professionals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.231.247 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

My apologies for calling Mr. Evon (is that you?) a web designer. I see from http://www.evondesign.com/ that he is a commercial graphic designer. That website is the principal ghit (other than mirrors of this page) I get when I search on his name. I guess that pages like this one and this one (both articles about how to make money in Internet marketing) led me to believe that he is a web designer. Regardless, nothing I have found in searches and nothing you have said here (but note that you have not cited sources) indicates that he meets any of the following notability criteria for artists:

• The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
• The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
• The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
• The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.

--Orlady (talk) 20:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I see that you have re-added this person to the article, quoting the list of notability criteria as the reason. Unfortunately, unsourced assertions of notability such as yours don't carry weight around Wikipedia (I can claim to be the queen of England, but if I can't document that, it's not going to be published here). Furthermore, an artwork that appears as a permanent installation on the campus where the artist attended school is not nearly the same thing as "a significant monument" or "a substantial part of a significant exhibition." I am reverting your edit, and I am copying this conversation to the Carson-Newman article talk page for future reference. --Orlady (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)