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Is Wikipedia becoming a subsidiary of People Magazine? Are American Idol contestatnts with public exposure of barely 2 years worthy of an article of this length. The article seems to grasp for the most banal of details, present nearly every daily appearance in the last 18 months and stuff them into this gossip-column type composition.

50% of this article can be deleted. The Singles, Discography, and Awards charts sufficiently represent a large majority of the textual content. This redundancy is not necessitated.

The length of Wikipedia articles is determined by the passion of the geeks that write the articles. Also keep in mind that Wikipedia should NOT be used as an authoritative source; it's function should mostly be used to point people in a direction, and the provide the location of authorititative sources

I agree. Its time to go in and do a wholesale pruning of all the out-of date items and chart-cruft that has built up over the past 2 years. --Eqdoktor 06:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I have done some clean-up, reducing the article from 38kb to >30kb (does not give article length warning anymore). I've removed a lot of the excessive fan cheerleading stuff, unnecessary comparisons to other artistes (yes, Carrie is a huge success we get the idea), chart listings (only #1s need to be listed) and advertisement work. There can still be a lot more pruning that can be done, for instance - the body text already lists out the various awards she has won (phew... she had a good year in 2006), AND there is a table listing her wins (and nominations). One or the either is redundant and can be removed. --Eqdoktor 08:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

List of performances in AI

Under the American Idol section, I think that we should compile a list of the performances and her own renditions of the songs she performed under this section so people can see what she performanced to be deserving of the American Idol crown. --Omghgomg 10:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I think it would be nice to have a chart showing her performances, like the Kelly Clarkson page has. I'll add this in the next week or so if no-one has any objections.

Lnkinprk777 07:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Relationship Rumors

Carrie is rumored to be dating Dallas Cowboys quarterback, Tony Romo -- who claims that the story is true. However, Underwood has yet to comment, while Romo and his agent were behind the rumors that he was dating Jessica Simpson; after he had been dumped by his now ex-girlfriend.

I don't think it's fair to publish rumors as fact, about someone's relationship, when that person has made no comment. The reality is, Tony Romo is playing a PR game right now after getting dumped, and so the fact is, people generally don't look at a single-guy in his late 20s as wholesome or well grounded -- they look at him as aloof, irresponsible and/or immature. So to get dumped right as your star-power is rising, is not good PR; especially for the quarterback of "America's Team." Which is when Romo and his agent stirred the rumors about him dating Jessica Simpson, which backfired because she was dating John Mayer. Apparently, they've now done some better research and have moved on to Carrie.

All I'm saying is that, until Carrie comments on the rumors, that the rumors are likely just a PR orchestration and should be ignored. As well, not even YouTube has video clips of Carrie and Romo.

By the way, Romo also claims to be from Oklahoma, when he was born in San Diego and grew up in Wisconsin.

Player News from Sportsline.com: Dallas QB Tony Romo had his worst game Monday night against Philadelphia since he became a starter. He completed 14-of-29 passes for 142 yards and one touchdown. He was intercepted twice. Coach Bill Parcells had a talk with Romo on Wednesday. "I think he understands what I want from him now," Parcells said. "A little more clearly than he did up to this point." Parcells wouldn't be specific about the conversation. In his past four games, Romo has thrown four touchdowns and been intercepted seven times. Also, Romo is looking to avoid distractions. Romo was linked to pop star Jessica Simpson and now it's Carrie Underwood. He talked with Underwood on the field before the game and said it did not detract from his focus against the Eagles. Romo said all his time is devoted to football. "Anybody that knows me knows I am up here all the time," Romo said. "This is what I do. I don't have much else in my life." (Updated 12/28/2006).

Updated the Tony Romo/Carrie Underwood dating item with a external ref link. I dunno how relevant this is in an encyclopedia article of Carrie Underwood (more like a gossip item IMO), but there you have it. He's gonna after have a lot more time with her after this game debacle [1][2] = snarky snicker... --Eqdoktor 08:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

After that *performance* I don't think anyone would blame her if they ended the relationship. People can blame it on the K-ball all they want, but the fact is, the Cowboys lost because Romo had basically given up in order to sulk.

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>>>>>American Idol winner and country music star Carrie Underwood has come out to deny she's dating Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo.

She was seen hugging him on the Texas Stadium football field Christmas Day, but Underwood says that was the first time the two had ever met - and there was never anything going on between them.

On the other hand, Romo told Journal Gazette/Times-Courier sports editor Brian Nielsen that the two were an item. Underwood's publicist - who says Carrie is not dating anyone - presumes Romo was joking.

Carrie told The Tennessean:

"The first time I ever met him was on Christmas, right there on the field. Everybody was like, 'Ooh, they are together.' And then I was blamed for Dallas not winning that game. He is a very nice guy and I've talked to him a few times, but we are very much not together."

NOTE

TXmaster and NSUBOY continue to vandalize this page by including non-sourced information pertaining to a boyfriend named "Chad Eagleton." TXmaster uploaded a picture on 2/17 in which he states that he is Chad Eagleton. These claims are most likely dubious attempts by the two users (who are probably actually the same person) to claim that they are dating Carrie Underwood. As none of their claims are sourced, I along with several other users continue to delete them. Neither user has stepped up to the challenge of providing a source for their claims. Please continue to delete their constant vandalism. Batman2005 23:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

If he inserts it one more time before too long, he'll be in violation of WP:3RR. I'll leave a message to that effect on his talk page. Hermione1980 00:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Good job, I also reported both users as vandals twice now, hopefully these users and their vandalism will be stopped. Batman2005 00:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, she did date someone named Chad Eagleton but has since broken-up with him ... it was in the September issue of Teen People. I wonder if she was disappointed by his apparent desperation to make everyone know that they were dating

VfD

This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Carrie Underwood. dbenbenn | talk 15:15, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if this page should be deleted per se, but it should have a "blurb" about Carrie Underwood and not just redirect to the "American Idol" page. 67.34.62.23 00:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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College

The article stated that Underwood was a student at the University of Central Oklahoma. An anon user changed that to Northeastern State University. Which is it? Was the change just vandalization or valid? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:58, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

The change is valid.

Not born in a hospital?

Do we have a source for this?

Here's a source that says, Carrie Underwood, was the very first American Idol contestant that was not born in a hospital.--Gramaic 03:28, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that article used Wikipedia as its reference (see the "Reference" link at the bottom; they often use Wikipedia as a source), so I'm not sure if it can be used as a citation for this fact. — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:19, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

lol. I feel a little embarrased. I didn't know that site used us as a source. My bad.--Gramaic 07:16, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

That would be kind of circular, wouldn't it... putting some "fact" here, letting sites like Juice News Daily cite us as a source when republishing it, then using them as a source to legitimize our use of the item ourselves. It's kind of how factoids and urban legends get established in the first place, with various people citing one another as the alleged fact reverberates all over the place, getting more popular all the time (whether it's actually true or not)... *Dan* 02:36, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Don't feel bad. The only reason I know is because I came across the article when I was searching for articles to add to Wikipedia as a press source 2005. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:15, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Bottom three info.

Clay Aiken was deleted from the part about the statement that says Carrie Underwood joins Kelly Clarkson and Clay Aiken by not going down to the bottom three. Is this edit okay, because the person who deleted Clay Aiken's name was the same person who committed vandalism here in the talk page. Whoever he or she is, deleted all the comments here in the talk page, but I reverted it.--Gramaic 01:40, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's okay, because Clay was never in the bottom three per se, he just didn't quite get enough votes in the last show. Unless anyone objects, I'm going to revert the edit today. Hermione1980 14:19, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Technically, isn't everybody in the "bottom three" once they're down to only three remaining finalists? *Dan* 02:38, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Well, she won.

HALLELUJAH

I think I speak for everybody when I say that it was expected that Carrie was the obvious winner, even Simon himself said that she would win. Tonight I'm the happiest person on earth. Carrie being the new American Idol, hey what more can you ask for? :-)

--Gramaic; big Carrie Underwood fan! 05:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Move to delete

This is not educational nor informative. It is a meaningless American TV show, and chews up precious Wikipedia space that could be used for more encyclopaedic topics...

I would disagree. It is an exceedingly popular show (given the fact that 5 billion votes were recorded this season) and such a pop-culture phenomenon should certainly be recorded in Wikipedia's annals.

So go create some "more encyclopaedic topics"... who's stopping you? *Dan* 23:50, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

If you have a problem with American Idol, place that article on WP:VFD. Carrie Underwood is (or shortly will be) notable in her own right as a successful music artist. Would you have Clay Aiken or Kelly Clarkson be deleted?

And do remember that Wikipedia is not paper. Hermione1980 00:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete Carrie Underwood??? Look anonymous user. You may think that this kind of article is not important, but that's just your POV. I and many others think that articles about Carrie Underwood and American Idol are very important and encyclopedic. So please, don't force your beliefs and point of view on others.--Gramaic 05:13, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

I think this anon user may have just been try to rustle some feathers (s/he also said the American Idol article should be deleted). Notice this user didn't nominate it for deletion. I think they just wanted to see what kind of response the comment would evoke.

No, this article is not chewing "up precious Wikipedia space" any more than many more articles on topics which are much less notable. By the way, I think 500 million votes were recorded this season (roughly double the population of the United States). Still noteworthy, but not all that close to 5 billion. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:24, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

I just did some checking, and obviously this user has no idea what Wikipedia is all about. They also said that Spider-Man shouldn't be included in the 'pedia. They said that Wikipedia should be a cyber-Encyclopedia Brittanica. Excuse me, but Wikipedia is much better than EB and covers many more topics, and in more detail.

The only contributions this user made was to say that these three topics (American Idol, Carrie Underwood and Spider-Man) don't belong on Wikipedia. They also said that Wikipedia shouldn't allow so many people to edit articles. Hmm... doesn't sound like they get "wiki" at all. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:31, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

Just ignore it. Michael 23:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Documenting Carrie Underwood's daily appearance schedule in great detail is hardly encyclopedic, particularly since she has a career length so far of what? 18 months? Clearly this is more an infatuation with concocted celebrity, which American Idol has no qualms admitting it is. Incidentally, noting American Idol votes (i.e. how many dozens of times the same teenager can repeatedly speed dial in one evening) is hardly a measure of significance.

Yodel?

Last night on the Tonight Show, she demonstrated that she is a proficient yodeller. I think this is interesting, but I don't know how to elegantly work it into the article. Anyone else want to take a crack at it? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:49, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

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That's a terrible looking picture of her.....

Somebody needs to upload a better picture. Revolución 19:28, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Really? I thought it was pretty good. What's wrong with it?

Actually, a better question is whether or not we can legally use it. I suspect whoever uploaded just lifted it from one of the fan sites, without permission. Even if they did have permission, the fan site probably didn't have or obtain the image's copyright. So the image will probably need to be deleted because it is not GFDL or in the public domain. In fact, if you look at the bottom of the pic, it still has www.carrieunderwoodonline.com stamped on it!

Look at the image of Card in the Orson Scott Card article. That's a horrible photo, but the best copyright-free one we could get. — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:45, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

I got a better pic Batzarro 12:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Carrie Underwood as a country singer.

Has anyone seen the exclusive CNN interview with the American Idol contestants and judges last night, with Ryan Seacrest substituting for Larry King? Anyway, on that show Carrie said that she was mostly going to stick with country music, and I was wondering does anyone think that we should add Category:Country musicians to the article?--Gramaic 06:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Probably not until after she releases an album. Just my $.02... — Frecklefoot | Talk 02:36, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

In that case, I'll remove the category, because I just added it to the article.--Gramaic 02:39, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Vocal range

Can someone please WP:CITE a source for Ms. Underwood's vocal range? Hall Monitor 19:19, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Ha! Good luck. This is another weird WP-edit-battles-subculture. Wasted Time R 19:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

If no source can be cited supporting her vocal range, this piece of trivia should be removed in accordance with Wikipedia official policies. Do you agree? Hall Monitor 20:40, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Do a search for "vocal profile", you'll see there's literally dozens of articles with this section in them now. I remember that some of these come from some website somewhere that keeps track of this stuff. Others are done by WP editors sitting at a piano listening to records and trying to match notes. I guess that counts as the dreaded "original research". In my opinion, you're better off trying to fight some other battle than this one. Even if you take out some of these sections, others will put them right back in. Wasted Time R 20:50, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

There seems to be nothing approaching a consistent, objective, rating of any singer's vocal range, judging from the many recent edits to that section in various singers' pages where the range is altered in what seems to be a random walk. *Dan* 00:34, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

The "Vocal Profile" subsection has been removed until an editor can WP:CITE a valid source. Hall Monitor 16:46, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

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Vegetarian?

From the article:

She was voted as one of PETA's two 2005 "World's Sexiest Vegetarians".

Is this correct? Underwood is not a vegetarian, she simply doesn't eat beef because she might be eating one of her pets. I'm fairly certain she eats chicken, pork, fish, etc. which doesn't qualify her as a vegetarian by almost any definition. Can anyone shed any light on this? — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:45, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

I'm with you on this Frecklefoot, I've only heard her say that she doesn't eat beef, and never heard her say she doesn't eat meat. --Gramaic | Talk 20:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, she is a vegetarian. Most of the ppl who have farms, are vegetarians. And she wouldn't lie!! I even saw the picture of her voted as the sexiest vegetarian!!

"Most of the ppl who have farms, are vegetarians." WHAT? Umm I know lots of farmers and I don't know a single one who is a vegetarian. In fact, most of them hate vegetarians. Nwbh 19:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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Carrie was filmed wearing a "V is for Vegetarian" tee shirt on Idol during one of the results show. She obviously considers herself a vegetarian and so does PETA.

I TOTALLY AGREE SO MUCH IT HURTS,SHE IS A VEGETARIAN!IF YOU CHECK EVERY WEBSITE IT WILL SAY SHE IS A VEGETARIAN!(Trampton 16:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)).

Vocal profile

An anon user added this back in. I thought we deemed these unsuitable because they are POV and lacked sources. Am I right or am I thinking of something else? — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:35, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

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Fan sites

Am I the only one, or do others think we should remove all the fan sites? It is strictly against Wikipedia standards to provide them. The standards say it might be okay to add one major fan site, be certainly not 8 as the article currently does. If she has an official fan site, I'd add that. But all the other ones should be ditched, IMHO. They are not encyclopedic. Anyone disagree? — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:13, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Junk 'em. Wasted Time R 16:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

It would make sense to have links to one or two of the most popular fan sites, but not a long list of them. If one of the sites has a "directory" section with links to other fan sites, that would be a good one to link to. *Dan* 17:57, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Linking to "the most popular" site would make sense, but how does one gauge that? Every one of them will claim to be the most popular. What do you use to gauge their popularity? Hits? Edits? Amount of content? If there is one official fan site, that'd be worth keeping (or a directory of fan sites). But since their doesn't seem to be one, I say nix 'em all. Anyone else? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:33, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think restricting links to "official" sites is necessarily a good policy in all cases; it's not the function of this site to provide access to just the "party line" of what the official management and marketing of some person/place/thing wants you to see; independent unofficial sources are useful, but require some degree of notability to link here. *Dan* 15:21, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm just stating Wikipedia policy here. If you want to change the policy, bring it up on the Village Pump. I still think they should all be nixed. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:53, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

question on tense

-I am kinda new to this wikipedia thing, but I was wondering how to change the tense of a statement in the Carrie Underwood section? It should read "is a member of Sigma Sigma Sigma" and not "was a member" because when you join sorority your membership is for life not just college. She has been featured in the sororities national magazine as a current member also. user:jadis96

Just click "Edit this page" (or whatever your skin says) and change it. Is that wiki or what? ;-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:47, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

My fan site CarrieNEWS.com lists all of the quality Carrie Underwood sites and actually includes CarrieUnderwoodOfficial.com in my directory on the home page. 71.106.233.137 05:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC) Rich January 8, 2006.

Congratulations. I'm sure that's a big achievement.The best...ever 08:29, 9 January 2006

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Sex symbol

Apparently, 68.89.40.39 thinks Underwood is a sex symbol. While she certainly is attractive, I don't think that automatically makes her a sex symbol. She's usually portrayed as wholesome and sweet, not as a sexpot. Anyone else think she should be removed from the "sex symbol" category? — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:47, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

My first opinion is that Category:Sex symbols is far too subjective for the purpose of an encyclopedia. Since Wikipedia is supposed to be a source of information based on fact and not personal opinion, yes, this should be removed until at least two credible and independent sources can be provided which define her as one. Hall Monitor 20:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_June_20#Category:Sex_symbols for a related discussion. The category itself was narrowly kept in a recent CfD discussion due to a lack of consensus, partially because of the existence of Category:Gay icons. Hall Monitor 20:10, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Until someone can WP:CITE a proper source, I am removing this article from Category:Sex symbols. Hall Monitor 18:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

She's hot

I think she's hot. Also,shes sweet and sexy not a bad girl like Britney or Christina Aguilera.

How is what you (anonymously) think of her relevant to an encyclopedia article on her? *Dan T.* 11:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Even administrators were talking as to whether Jamie spears was hot on her talk page,so why not Carrie.

I agree...She is very hot!

I totally agree, Britney Spears gets divorced to K-Fed and has alrady kids with that loser!She married a guy that asks money out of her and steals her clothes! K-Fed is a loser, and did you see that commercial of his on the Super Bowl?(Trampton 10:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)).P.S. What was written above is not me!

Born in Muskogee, Oklahoma?

Is there a source for this statement? --Gramaic | Talk 05:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, according to her label's website (aristanashville.com), Carrie was born in Muskogee, Oklahoma, and not in Checotah, Oklahoma, as many media sources state. Go to: http://aristanashville.com/cu/bio.htm --ChicagoOkie 12:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Regards, --Gramaic | Talk 09:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Carrie was born in Muskogee which is a Creek Indian town just like the small Creek settlement of Checotah. And she is Creek Indian. Can't you even look at her and see it. Just because she's lightened her hair doesn't mean she's a white girl.

Creek Indian town? according to the 2000 US Census:

"The racial makeup of the city was 61.12% White, 17.90% African American, 12.34% Native American, 0.90% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 1.57% from other races, and 6.16% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.28% of the population."

Most likely she is white.

Pure white people in Oklahoma are a minority. She probably does have some type of indian in her. And the Creek word for Creek is Muskogee.