Talk:Carman (singer)

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Full of subjectivity. Negative comments, such as his divorce have disappeared. Seems to have a lot of un-checked hype from fans. Blowmonkey 19:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Last edited at 19:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 10:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Christian rock/pop

Some of Carman's music in the past is classified as Christian rock and pop which should be added as genres, especially in the mid-to-late 80s. 2600:1702:1690:E10:75B8:C380:B2C1:980E (talk) 04:00, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

And as with Jon Gibson, he's barely considered a "rapper" (Christian hip hop musician) based on limited songs/album(s). 2600:1702:1690:E10:CD5E:9035:699C:7D5 (talk) 04:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Welcome back Fond du Lac. I have no problem removing the genre here a well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

To simply state "rapper" is misleading. His music, especially in the 1990s, was considered in the Christian rap genre enough to have won his his last music award for that exact category. http://www.carman.org/carman-biography.php states in part: So how can we classify his music? Is it pop, comedy, Broadway, rap, country, rock or soul? The answer is yes--to all. There's no way you can classify a Carman song by its style but rather by the shear blunt-force impact delivery in a persons life, with an unmistakable Gospel message. There are no "blunt-force impact" categories on Wikipedia, so we have the choice to whittle down and either create or link to what does exist in terms of categories. Quicksetright (talk) 06:09, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

His own bio isn't really a good source for describing his genres. I look at Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music (2002) which mentions "rap" or "hip-hop" four times in the Carman entry:

Revival in the Land includes … "Resurrection Rap" (the artist's first, but not last or best, attempt at hip-hop) p. 141

"" the now-effective hip-hop "Who's in the House" p. 141

Mission 3:16 features a host of guest musicians … Russ Taff singing power-pop opposite Carman's Vanilla Ice Rapping in "People of God". p. 143

Dove Awards: … 1997 Rap/Hip Hop Song ("R.I.O.T.") p. 144

The primary issue is that he also recorded country (or country rock), inspirational, show tunes, and plain pop. It's far too difficult to restrict his genres to one or two because the music wasn't easily classified. The entry starts by classifying his early music as a "Christian Elvis", "Vegas", "50s-style rock and roll", "MOR" or middle of the road (a term used to describe adult-contemporary music in the 1980s) of his early music. Then his switch to "the more contemporary-oriented Myrrh label did not involve any immediately noticeable change in style or direction." It goes on to describe more '50s music and "an Andraé Crouch-like worship chorus". The next paragraph goes on to indicate how "he released increasingly sophisticated albums developed around conceptual (and even theatrical) themes." Further genres mentioned are "R&B gospel", "inspirational hymn", "sterling ballads", "Caribbean praise ditty", "contemporary gospel", "Huey Lewis-like", "Latin beat", "rock", "James Bond-inspired title track", "mid-tempo", "Caribbean-inflected praise song", "adult contemporary ballad", "a couple of catchy sing-along pop songs". So each of these descriptions are about one song per album except for the last. And that's all from page 141. The entry goes on for another two pages and I won't transcribe the genres mentioned there. The advice given at the musicians project is to keep it generic and no more than five, so I agree to your suggestion to whittle down the list. It currently lists Contemporary Christian music, gospel and praise & worship. Do we need more or is that sufficiently generic? Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

marriages? divorces?

Carman has done a great job of keeping his personal history a secret. What about Rosa? What about Jenny Brown? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.118.161.59 (talk) 02:56, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Rose was Carman's girlfriend from how I understand it. I was personally traveling with Mario Murillo and Rose, who married Mario. I was his worship leader when he visited Arizona. I remember sitting directly behind Rose in the car and Mario told me the story of how he "stole" Rose from Carman. He was joking of course...Mario would never do anything to hurt Carman, but it did cause some bad blood when Rose decided on Mario. However, my memory is patchy on the subject because this was in 2000. Rose was beautiful and sweet. She would correct Mario on directions and he would always say, "Thank you, baby..." Mario told me details on the song Witches Invitation and how he worked directly with Carman on the song (because it's based on a true story of Mario's). 67.60.34.119 (talk) 00:04, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

"Eric Carman" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Eric Carman has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 8 § Eric Carman until a consensus is reached. BangJan1999 18:26, 8 September 2023 (UTC)