Talk:Carla Denyer

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Proposed deletion

User:Bondegezou has proposed this page for deletion. I wouldn't particularly argue for Denyer's notability under criteria for politicians (WP:POLITICIAN). As edits that I've made since Bondegezou's proposal show, she might meet the any biography notability criterion 'has received a well-known and significant award or honor' -- depends how significant you think awards now listed in her entry are. But I do think she meets the general notability criteria: Denyer has received numerous, non-trivial mentions in a range of reliable secondary sources for her significant role in beginning a historic wave of climate emergency declarations. This coverage stands alongside more sustained coverage -- mostly in local media but also at times in national media -- of her other political campaigning. Alarichall (talk) 00:06, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We agree she fails WP:NPOL. The climate emergency stuff warrants coverage on Wikipedia, but that should be in the article on climate emergency declarations or somewhere else: that doesn't justify an article about Denyer (WP:1E). WP:GNG requires "significant coverage" (a somewhat stronger wording than "non-trivial", as you wrote) about Denyer and nearly all the citations given clearly fail that.

As to awards, we have: "nominated for the Bristol Diversity Awards in the 'politician' category". Only nominated and doesn't look like a notable award. "Big Green Politics Podcast politician of the year": a non-notable podcast, so not a notable award. "'Special mention' in the Local Government Information Unit's Councillor Achievement Awards in the category 'Environment and Sustainability Pioneer'": special mention is not winning. The best looking of these is the UK Local Government Association's 2018-19 Clarence Barrett Award for outstanding achievement 'for her work on the Climate Emergency motion which has been carried forward by councils everywhere'. The LGA are, at least, notable, although their awards aren't even mentioned on their Wikipedia article. I can find almost no independent, reliable source coverage of these awards - they don't look that notable to me. Bondegezou (talk) 10:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've come across this page while reading about Unite to Remain. I think this article has got sufficient local coverage about her activities as a campaigner, councillor, and candidate. I have never edited the article before so I am invoking my privilege as a hitherto uninvolved editor to decline the proposed deletion. Anyone may take this to AfD if they think this article ought to be deleted. Deryck C. 17:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We probably should wait until after the 2019 election takes place, as she is the only pro-remain party candidate in Bristol West, which voted 79.3% to Remain. I think she is probably the most likely to win that election, so keeping the page until afterwards might be a good idea. YttriumShrew 20:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to wait. Such a policy would just lead to every election candidate around creating a page for the period of the election campaign. If she wins, the article can be restored. For now, we have to judge her on whether she currently meets notability criteria. Bondegezou (talk) 20:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I do recognise that, although personally I agree with YttriumShrew's reasoning, Bondegezou is invoking the well established Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:Too soon.Alarichall (talk) 00:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your thoughtful consideration of this debate, Bondegezou. Obviously, I created this page so have a different stake in it from other commentators. (And it wouldn't take much work to establish that I'm a Green Party member myself -- though I have created entries for Labour councillors too ;-) .) I think in terms of national media coverage focused extensively on Denyer herself as a basis for showing her general notability we're looking at:

Matthew Taylor, 'Bristol plans to become carbon neutral by 2030', The Guardian (14 November 2018).
Fiona Harvey, 'Climate takes centre stage as Green party launches campaign', The Guardian (6 November 2019).
Greg Dawson, 'Climate change: "I want to look my daughter in the eye"', BBC Politics Live (15 March 2019).

But I also think there's a philosophical difference here, whereby I'm happy to interpret local news coverage (and specialist news coverage like the Quaker newspaper) as 'significant' (therefore meeting the general notability criteria). I think one of Wikipedia's strengths is its capacity to recognise that things don't have to be on a national scale to be 'significant'. (If I were to put this point under a policy banner, I guess it would be Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia.) There's nothing in the general notability criteria to say that local news can't be 'significant'. I and DrArsenal have been doing some more editing adding range and time-depth to the sources here. So I do think Denyer meets the criteria. Alarichall (talk) 00:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In June 2020, User:JTCPol2020 proposed this article for deletion. User:Finngall noted that the above debate had already led to the decision that Denyer is notable, and changed the deletion proposal to the hatnote {{Notability|Biography|date=June 2020}}. Since then I've added more media coverage of Denyer as it has appeared; in particular, she was interviewed at some length in The Guardian: Matthew Taylor, 'Council efforts to tackle climate crisis "hampered by UK government"', The Guardian (13 November 2020). And she has another award to her name: Rebecca Hardy, 'Quaker woman wins top engineer award', The Quaker (2 July 2020). In view of the original decision that Denyer is notable and the continued development of the article (showing sustained media interest), could we remove the hatnote now, do you think? Alarichall (talk) 02:06, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Alarichall: Responding to the ping. For the record: 1) I removed the AfD tag solely because it was a malformed tag and the editor who added it had not properly the other necessary steps to embark on a new deletion discussion. (That account has no other edits, before or since.) It was not intended as a judgement either on the article as it stood or on the previous debate. 2) The notability tag was added by an anonymous IP, possibly the same person who applied the AfD tag minutes later--I had nothing to do with it. That said, if you feel the current notability tag no longer applies (or never did), then by all means feel free to remove it. Seems perfectly notable to me by Wiki-standards. Thanks. --Finngall ^talk 02:39, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, user:Finngall! And sorry for misreading your role in the article history. I'll give others a few days to respond and remove the hatnote if no-one replies. Alarichall (talk) 02:44, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

clarification of date elected as councillor

Hi there, I'm the subject of this page. I know it's bad etiquette to edit your own page so I have no intention of doing so, but I have a request: please could you tweak the wording in the first paragraph to clarify when I was first elected as a councillor? It currently says "She has been a councillor for the Bristol ward of Clifton Down since 2016." This is true but misleading, as I was first elected in 2015 for the largely similar ward of Clifton East, prior to a boundary change. This is all explained clearly further down, but the trouble is that lots of journalists with short attention spans are only reading the first paragraph and then keep misreporting my electoral history. Thank you! Carla C denyer (talk) 23:17, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good point: I've edited the lead. Thanks! Alarichall (talk) 08:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I'm afraid I'm going to ask for another edit though, because "the Clifton area of Bristol" is actually also misleading in a different way - Clifton is a separate, neighbouring ward, also represented by Green councillors, but ones that are not me! The way I would word it, if this fits with Wikipedia style guide, is "She has been a councillor in Bristol since 2015 (initially for Clifton East ward, and since the 2016 boundary changes for Clifton Down ward)." - or something to that effect. C denyer (talk) 19:40, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry: thanks! I've made the changes. Alarichall (talk) 11:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

Citations required for much of this article. I've added tag. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 21:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This seems a bit weird. Almost every sentence has citations, often more than one. I'm not sure what your concern is here? Alarichall (talk) 09:47, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Uh? The lead starts with a citation (leads can either have citations or not, but not both) then simply stops citing. And when did she join the Green Party (seems a key detail since her leadership of that party is what makes her a notable subject)? Shouldn't be hard to fill that stuff in, but the article certainly needs it. Emmentalist (talk) 21:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All the information in the lead is referenced later in the article so the lack of references in the lead isn't a reason to tag the article as lacking citations. (Why there's a footnote right after Denyer's date of birth in the lead, I don't know -- the article cited doesn't mention her date of birth. I'll move that citation.) And I see that you or someone else has added a 'citation needed' tag for the year of Denyer joining the Green Party, which makes sense -- but tagging the whole article as needing additional citations because of one missing citation is surely overkill? Alarichall (talk) 20:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

is this article too subjective?

this article reads as quite subjective, a lot of the wording feels floaty. idk I think it needs to be thoroughly re-read and maybe locked since its about a politician and an election they're involved in is coming up Dfdedfcf (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No longer councillor

Announced she would not stand in the 2024 local elections, she is no longer the councillor for Clifton Down. 147.147.232.120 (talk) 13:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I've checked this and updated the page accordingly. Alarichall (talk) 15:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! The date she stepped down was 02/05/24. Unsure if a tweet can be used to confirm her DOB as well but: https://x.com/carla_denyer/status/1309129087747846146?s=46&t=BtwLL78CIhzfQpI-lBciQQ 147.147.232.120 (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please can someone add the category of Category:LGBT members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom as she is openly LGBT+ Tfes3 (talk) 12:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC) Tfes3 (talk) 12:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jamedeus (talk) 06:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]