Talk:Saint Francis University, Hong Kong
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 | On 12 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Caritas Institute of Higher Education to Saint Francis University, Hong Kong. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Page move
[edit]@Laiwinglong: I have reverted your move because CIHE is still the common name and is a better natural disambiguator. NM 03:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Mahogany115: We can move over to the new name once
reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name
per WP:NAMECHANGES. As of today, sources containing the new name are all about the name change itself. NM 20:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Per a request at WP:RFPP, I have move-protected the article. Please use WP:RM to resolve. Johnuniq (talk) 06:28, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 12 August 2024
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. We appear to have consensus to move, but no consensus on a specific title. Per WP:NOTCURRENTTITLE, I am choosing Saint Francis University, Hong Kong, as it was the only option for which a policy-based rationale was given, and nobody explicitly disagreed with it. If parenthetical disambiguation is preferred, another RM can be opened. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 16:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Caritas Institute of Higher Education → Saint Francis University (Hong Kong) – The institute had acquired university title and renamed "Saint Francis University" under approval from the Hong Kong government on 9 January 2024 (more than 7 months ago). The institute uses the new name across its website and communication materials. Media, including South China Morning Post (1, 2) and The Standard, adopted the new name in their articles. The Hong Kong government Security Bureau also uses the new name. Cfls (talk) 07:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 07:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 07:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: Cannot be moved as soft move. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Hong Kong and WikiProject Higher education have been notified of this discussion. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support This looks like an established change of name per WP:NAMECHANGES. Robminchin (talk) 23:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. If moved, it should be to Saint Francis University, Hong Kong, which is standard for non-Canadian Commonwealth English articles (as Hong Kong uses Commonwealth English). -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: Relist to discuss whether the article should be moved to Saint Francis University, Hong Kong or Saint Francis University (Hong Kong) BilledMammal (talk) 07:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: This is leaning towards a no consensus. Best, Reading Beans 07:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support a move to one of the two suggested title formats; also cf. Centennial College (Hong Kong). Dekimasuよ! 08:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 12 October 2024
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved - No consensus in favour of the proposed move, not enough discussion to relist. (non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 14:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Saint Francis University, Hong Kong → Saint Francis University (Hong Kong) – The comma may imply an affiliation with the unrelated US-based Saint Francis University. For entities of the United States, Hong Kong, and many other regions, using a comma followed by a geographical name after an institution’s name is a common practice for naming affiliated or related branches, such as University of California, Los Angeles, Chinese University of Hong Kong, Shenzhen, and All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Bhopal. To avoid any potential confusion or unintended implication, it would be preferable to replace the comma with brackets. Cfls (talk) 19:59, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Many institutions are disambiguated like this, especially in Commonwealth or former Commonwealth countries, where it is the standard. Any disambiguation may imply an affiliation, whether it is comma or parenthetical, so the nomination makes little sense. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:30, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- For example, India is a member of the Commonwealth. However, using a comma followed by a geographical name after the name of an institution suggests affiliated or related branches, such as All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Bhopal. Similarly, for Hong Kong entities, Chinese University of Hong Kong, Shenzhen indicates its connection to the larger Chinese University of Hong Kong. For the "Saint Francis University" entry, disambiguation measures should avoid introducing potential confusion or unintended implications. Cfls (talk) 15:30, 14 October 2024 (UTC)