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b-side

"Careful With That Axe Eugene" is in fact the b-side to their 5th single, "Point Me At The Sky"

the b-side to "It Would Be So Nice", their 4th single, was "Julia Dream"

early versions of the song had the titles "Murderistic Women", or "Keep Smiling People"

in 1969 it was included as part of the extended suite "The Man and The Journey", with yet another alternate name: "Beset By The Creatures of the Deep"

throughout 1969 and 1970 Eugene was usually paired live with the song "Green Is the Colour", which segued into it

"Come In, Number 51 (Correct number?), Your Time Is Up" I think was another alternate title for the song. I forget when that title was used though. I'm not too certain. Absolutely Curtains 18:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Careful with that oxygen?

That line kind of strikes me as being urban-mythy, is there any documentation of there being some drug called oxygen? Erowid.org doesn't have anything listed under the slang & terminology vault. 66.110.241.82 20:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i agree, that sounds like bullshit. without citation, i think it should go.69.181.121.40 07:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it stays at least say what the drugs real name was as well ,not just a street name BauerPower 21:40, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's nonsense, an 'axe' is a euphemism for a guitar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.38.22 (talk) 05:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rant

"a loud (and largely indecipherable) pictish rant" Picts states (correctly) that the language hasn't survived, so this strikes me as a bit unlikely. --84.92.81.68 15:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Pictish rant" is shorthand among Floyd collectors for Waters' habit of shouting gibberish in a Scottish accent during concerts. That bit should probably be changed to something less obscure. GhostTrain 06:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It definitely needs to remain as a Pictish rant. After all, Waters did write the song "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict," not "Grooving with a Scottish Man Who Spoke an Ancient Dialect That Has Not Survived." Crazydiamond1to9 08:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Early Singles

Anyone else think the album for this should be listed as The Early Singles? Or, if you prefer, Relics. I know it's not an original album or anything, but from what I've seen, non-album songs can still be listed as belonging to compilations as the albums. So couldn't that work? - Rock Soldier, 23:14, May 4, 2007

I'd agree that it should be listed as part of Relics, if not Ummagumma. Having it as part of Zabriskie Point seems silly. Crazydiamond1to9 05:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually didn't think of having it for Ummagumma or Zabriskie Point, but I guess those could work. I vote for The Early Singles or Relics, as those are the two releases where the studio version appears. - Rock Soldier, 22:17, May 8, 2007

Instrumental?

Is this really an instrumental? It has the line "careful with that axe, Eugene" StaticElectric 20:02, # 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Also Waters' screams are vocalizations, not instrumental. Would you call Great Gig instrumental just because it's not lyrical? -Vic

Yes. The voice can be used as an "instrument" as well as for singing words. Choirs often contribute to instrumentals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.38.22 (talk) 05:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is an instrumental - as are "Atom Heart Mother", "One of These Days", "Talkin' Hawkin'", "A Saucerful of Secrets", "On the Run", "Signs of Life", "Terminal Frost", etc - all of which feature some kind of vocalisation. – Dyolf87 (talk) 16:18, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

punk?

Stukas Over Bedrock sound like speed-metal to me. IanHistor 02:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aaaaaaargh!!!

If I remember correctly, somebody has fielded the idea of a page all about the Roger Waters scream. I personally don't agree with this, but wonder if anyone else does. --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with you on that. Sounds like a daft idea!NH89.243.99.1 (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was me. I suggested it 'cos it keeps coming up in different songs. Thanks, guys! MartinSFSA (talk) 06:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose we could mention it in the Roger Waters article, though. --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? It's not unique to Roger Waters – anyone can do it. All you do it breathe in hard while closing off your throat as you do so. The result is a kind of "backwards scream". I don't know if the phenomenon has a specific name, I've never been interested enough to find out. – Dyolf87 (talk) 16:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Martin! Yeah it could have a mention as it has cropped up from time to time.NH89.240.224.186 (talk) 23:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shall we continue this discussion on the Roger Waters discussion page then? --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! (talk) 10:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, nuts... There already is a mention of this trademark here. --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! (talk) 18:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

Regarding the proposal to merge this article with "Come in Number 51, Your Time Is Up", did you mean to say it the other way around? "Eugene" is the better known title. Two different recordings of the tune were issued under different titles, but there is no instance where either version was released under both titles, or where the titles are confused for one another. I don't see a need to combine them as long as they properly cross-reference. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 00:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is the same song and articles have been deleted for less I guess (which rhymes). I fixed the merge-tags. I clearly would make a section for "Come In..." in the "Careful" article, and if it's only to keep the deletion troops from our door... --Avant-garde a clue-hexa Chord ² 00:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Beacause "Come In..." is simply a re-recording of "Careful", there's no reason why it needs a new article. That would simply be overkill. Plus with that new information added on, "Careful" will be a better, more informative article overall.Krobertj (talk) 21:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It is the exact same song. It just looks like whoever decided to create a page for each song on Zabriskie Point didn't realize or didn't care that a page had already been created for CWTAE.Adsfsdfsdfsd (talk) 20:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Careful with That Axe, Eugene/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 16:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Long time no see! FunkMonk (talk) 16:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if a fair use sample would be useful for more readers than sheet music? I was able to read guitar notes in my teens, but that's looong forgotten, hehe... FunkMonk (talk) 16:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Early Years 1965–1972 is duplinked.

Hi, it's been a while but good to see you're still around.

The sheet music was taken off Money, but it doesn't really add much, and come to think of it, can you copyright D played octaves apart? I guess we could do a sample instead. Give me a mo and I'll see what I can do.

And fixed the dupe link - I forgot to run the script. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, a sample is up. I don't suppose I'll be able to get away with sampling a crappy-sounding bootleg, so I'll go with a vinyl rip of the original Relics LP. I think File:Roger waters leeds 1970.jpg is actually showing him playing "Careful with That Axe Eugene" based on where his fingers are on the fretboard, but that's original research. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! FunkMonk (talk) 03:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The external Youtube link is private and its legality seems questionable anyway.

I think Martinevans123 has changed it

"features a level "Careful with That Axe, Eugene"." A level called?

I've changed this slightly and linked to Level (video games) to make it more obvious to the reader

"refer to a character also called Eugene" Perhaps say "also refers to a character", to make it more ambiguous whether these are two different characters or one? We don't know, after all...

Tweaked accordingly. I think the names are a co-incidence, I haven't seen a source mentioning anything more obvious

Link band name at first mention outside intro.

Done

Present the role of each band member at their first mention in the article body?

I mentioned this when reviewing somebody else's GA review recently, so good catch.

"where the heroine pictures a villa" What is meant by "pictures"? Haven't seen the film, unfortunately!

Changed to "imagines" and copyedited; do a Google search for "zabriskie point exploding" and you'll find a (copyvio) clip and see what I mean!

"but it was ultimately omitted" Do we know why?

Unfortunately not, the only source available from James Guthrie just has a list of provisional songs that didn't make the final cut (if you'll pardon the pun) with no other information

As long as it's not a reference to the Division Bell or something like that, I'm fine with it, hehe... FunkMonk (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"The track was one of several to be considered for the band's 2001 "best of" album, Echoes: The Best of Pink Floyd, but it was ultimately omitted.[15]" Isn't this info more appropriate under "releases"? Not sure what it has to do with "Composition and recording".

Moved and copyedited a bit

"on the addition The Early Singles CD" Additional?

Yup, good catch

"Many other versions were available on bootlegs." Lacks a citation.

Tricky one this. It's like citing the sky is blue; all we are claiming here is that bootlegs exist containing live versions of CwTAE, nothing else. Unfortunately, I haven't found a traditional reliable source that even acknowledges them, so I've resorted to citing some bootlegs I know about that (AFAIK) have things that aren't on the Early Years boxset set

Better than nothing. FunkMonk (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"was played to press" The press?

Yes, that's correct British English, elsewhere you'd probably use news media. Should I put in a link?

If it's correct, should be fine as is. FunkMonk (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've popped a link in anyway - doesn't hurt. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"and some performances feature different spoken lines by Waters" Any examples?

Unfortunately, I can't find anything in reliable sources. If you listen to bootlegs you'll hear gibberish including a pictish rant in the manner of Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict; however I think we're veering off into original research territory here

Link Radio 1?

Done

"on Australian TV programme, GTK" Add "the" and remove comma?

Done

"The song was one of four Pink Floyd songs" A bit repetitive, how about "It was one of four Pink Floyd songs?

Changed, but I don't like starting paragraphs with "it", because the user has to think of what the context is for a minute

Maybe start with the song's name, like you do in the succeeding sentence? FunkMonk (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone with "it" but reorganised the sentences so it's not an issue Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"with a final one-off performance in 1977" This was the last time it was ever performed by them? The article body doesn't seem to make this clear.

Yup. It was put in at the end of a good gig as a third encore, and as it wasn't revived for the 87 and later tours, that was it

Anything on the meaning or what it tries to evoke?

The only information I can find is in Reisch 2011, which is already cited. In fact, for a frequently performed live track, there's surprisingly little information about it - probably because it wasn't written as such, but just jammed into shape.

Okay, there are some replies, hope that's all useful. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, not much more to do here, good to see more classic rock at GAN again. Missed it for a while! FunkMonk (talk) 17:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for another great review, and good to see you back doing them! :-) Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Add Relics under "Audio"

Hi, thanks for this article. Can I suggest that Relics is added under Audio? It's mentioned in the first para but not under discography. I understand that Relics is the official release of the studio version. Maybe also clarify whether A Breath of Fresh Air is the same studio version as Relics - I've never heard of that compilation tbh. Thank you. Pkbecher (talk) 14:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]