Talk:Carabiner

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Snap Links?

These are often referred to as 'snap links', yet there is no mention of that term on the page and a wiki search of it doesn't refer to this page. Shouldn't 'Snap link' at least redirect here? Zainker (talk) 04:27, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In my experience. the term "snap link" refers to a much lighter duty item of a utility or hardware nature, which is used for connecting light objects or strapping things down, but it nowhere near strong enough to use in mountaineering applications, where failure might well mean death. Although roughly similar in a certain sense, "snap link" is no more a synonym for "carabiner" than "pop gun" is a synonym for "cannon". Cullen328 (talk) 04:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the UK 'snap link' is a fairly common term for a non-locking carabiner within mountaineering/climbing circles. A quick search shows this term being used by the Glenmore Lodge guides [1] and an article from the Climbers Club journals [2]. I think there shoudl be some mention of this term somewhere on the page. Speekingleesh (talk) 20:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling (carabiner / karabiner)

In the US, "carabiner" is the accepted spelling. Is "karabiner" the British spelling, or only the German? Since the c is used in the article title, I'm tempted to revert the edit where the spelling was changed, but I'd like some input from other editors. --Joel 03:25, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We use "karabiner" in the UK. Davidbod 09:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article title is carabiner, and in my opinion that establishes the spelling that we should use. If the karabiner is the accepted spelling, then the article title should be changed. Garrettcobb 05:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I must admit, I've always seen it as "karabiner" wherever I've read it. I think I'd prefer it to be karabiner. However, carabiner gets 6 times more Google hits. Davidbod 09:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A quick Google search shows up more results for "Karabiner" than "Carabiner". I'd rather see Karabiner used as well, but non-registered members get no love :( 71.235.66.254 06:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's pretty much line ball. Google is not necessarily the best way to test these things anyway, especially when the frequencies are so close (Note, Davidbod has suggested that it is spelt with a "k" in the UK, but Google suggests "c" is a little more common there). It really doesn't matter what we use in the end, as long as it is an accepted spelling, we are consistent, and we make redirects for the alternative spellings. Chovain 13:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford Dictionary suggests that it is spelled with a 'K', as does the spelling dictionary on my smartphone (English.UK). In Canada and the United States I have only seen it with a 'C'. The original spelling is German, of course, so Karabiner is less divergent than Carabiner from the original. Anyone bother to search an encyclopedic article on 'carabiner' is probably looking for accurate information and wouldn't mind learning that 'karabiner' is closer to 'karabinerhaken' through a redirect. Sorry for not logging in. 108.180.175.98 (talk) 21:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly, of the examples on Oxford English Dictionary 27 out of 36 spell it with a C. - snowpup^talk 19:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, in German, it was originally spelled with a C, and still is spelled with a C in many German speaking regions. This is not as a result of the English word creeping back into German, it has always been spelled with a C in those regions, and the longer form was spelled Carabinerhaken there too. The word "Carabiner" (when used for the rifle or the metal clip) was originally spelled with a C. It first appeared as the name for the clip, as a standalone word (rather than the longer Carabinerhaken), in Austria, not Germany. See the full history here: http://www.cavinguk.co.uk/info/verticalterminology.html#carabiner

The main reason for it being often (but definitely not always) spelled with a K in the UK is because British suppliers liked to make hardware look extra German, because British consumers would assume that German outdoor equipment is better. TarquinWJ (talk) 22:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

I took out the "strangely" in "Recently, they have strangely become very popular in the emo and scene subcultures." because I think it's not NPOV. There are a lot of other little subtle nuances here that make this article slightly biased too.

Origin

Does anyone know when the first carabiners originated? I assume the late nineteenth century, but was wondering if anyone could say more definitively. I've always seen it spelled "carabiner", btw, but so long as there's a re-direct from either spelling, should be fine. 67.165.49.173 02:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Tom Miller[reply]

Yes. I have an extensive research article about the history of carabiners here:

http://www.cavinguk.co.uk/info/verticalterminology.html#carabiner

Note that the vast majority of sources simply repeat a myth about a German climber called Rambo Herzog, who actually did not develop carabiners at all, so if you do decide to add a short history section to this Wikipedia page, it would need to include a statement showing that it is a myth, to stop people from adding the wrong information to the article all the time. TarquinWJ (talk) 20:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The word Karabiner comes from German, where Karabiner means carbine (Spanish and Franch carabine): short gun used by Spanish an French cavalry, and by German cavalry fron 1888 (Mauser 88). The spanish carabine comes (year 1500)from the arabian word karab.

The French word for Karabiner is mousqueton, a carbine drived from mousquet, the heavy gun used by the French Armée. The wrod was extended to the snaplink used to connect the wapon to the its strap. So, both words derive from cavalry. Carlo Zanantoni — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.252.48.94 (talk) 16:02, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

image swap

I admit that Image:Carabiner.png isn't as pretty as Image:Carabiner2.png but I'm uncomfortable with prominently displaying a caribener that cannot be used for climbing in article predominantly about climbing, especially surrounded by text about climbing and without a caption saying the one shown can't be used for climbing. Vicarious 13:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Breaking Strength.

The article mentions the Strength on the 'biners, but doesnt say whether thats the working load limit, or the breaking strength. Personally, I'm not sure what it is, otherwise I would edit it in. Any takers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nafango2 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It's referring to the breaking strain (all the UIAA and the CE requirements are that the carabiner does not break when loaded with X kN). Will change the main text to reflect this. Speekingleesh (talk) 13:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Intro

Repeats the phrase "for some time" 3 times - reword? --202.89.167.24 (talk) 17:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How's this? WTucker (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Much better, thank you! (Sorry about the slow reply) Uwadb (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DMM Belay Master?

Noticed that the DMM Belay Master series carabiner isn't listed, surely it should be? Essentially it's a double locking carabiner so it's a type in its own right no? http://dmmclimbing.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.35.248 (talk) 23:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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