Talk:Captain general

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Captain general article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Spain

	Spain portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Spain, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Spain on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SpainWikipedia:WikiProject SpainTemplate:WikiProject SpainSpain articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Portugal Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Portugal, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Portugal on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PortugalWikipedia:WikiProject PortugalTemplate:WikiProject PortugalPortugal articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Portugal To-do:

Find correct name The airport is not listed as João Paulo II anywhere. The airport's own website calls itself simply Ponta Delgada, and has no mention of João Paulo.

Improve key articles to Good article

Improve

Review

Category:History of Portugal: lots to remove there
Template:Regions of Portugal: statistical (NUTS3) subregions and intercommunal entities are confused; they are not the same in all regions, and should be sublisted separately in each region: intermunicipal entities are sometimes larger and split by subregions (e.g. the Metropolitan Area of Lisbon has two subregions), some intercommunal entities are containing only parts of subregions. All subregions should be listed explicitly and not assume they are only intermunicipal entities (which accessorily are not statistic subdivisions but real administrative entities, so they should be listed below, probably using a smaller font: we can safely eliminate the subgrouping by type of intermunicipal entity from this box).

Requests

See Requested articles

Assess

Help assessing articles.

Need images

Translate from Portuguese Wikipedia

Wikify

Vote:

Watch this list — Edit this list

Military history: Culture / European / Spanish / Medieval

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion not met

Associated task forces:
/
	Military culture, traditions, and heraldry task force
	European military history task force
	Spanish military history task force
	Medieval warfare task force (c. 500 – c. 1500)

Merge with Captain general?

Brought from Talk: Capitán General.

I propose merging this page with Captain General, and leaving this title as a redirect. Rbraunwa 20:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. FilipeS 23:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of any objections, I have merged the two articles. I also merged Capitão-Mor into this one, which is an equivalent rank. FilipeS 22:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Franco was not Captain General, was only General.

Francisco Franco was not Captain General. Franco was only General, an he was always called General Franco. The King John Charles I is the only one Captain General in Spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.123.84.167 (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The rank of simple general has never existed in Spain. From 1999 onwards there exists a General del Ejercito (Army General ). Too late for Franco being one
Franco's rank at the start of the war was General de División, the highest rank then available in the Spanish army. He was one of the juniors of the class, but still ...
Franco was elevated to the rank of Captain General by the same (nationalist) decree that restablished the rank 18 July 1938 [1]
Moreover he was Captain General of the Army, the Navy (by the same decree) and of the Air Force. And consistently used the rank insignia for nearly 40 years, so there is plenty of graphical witness
The use of the full rank when naming generals in Spain (f.i. Teniente General N. instead of General N.) is relatively scarce. And it's never used when addressing them (only vuecencia or mi general is allowed). FWIK it happens also elsewhere
During Franco's lifetime, he was called in very different ways, but Capitan General Franco was almost never used outside military paperwork, if at all (the normal form would be S.E. El Generalisimo Francisco Franco, ..., Capitán General del Ejercito or something alike)
In any case, during the same period, using the expression General Franco was one of easiest ways to be labeled as a mild oppositionist; or was just a non-commital diplomatic speach form of foreing powers/writers

--Wllacer 23:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm away from my sources (i plan to update the article, but not tonight) but FWIW, during Franco's rule at least two officers were promoted while on active duty to the rank of Captain General, Agustín Muñoz Grandes and Camilo Alonso Vega, and some others either posthumously or honorary (past retirement age).

During the tenure of King Juan Carlos, i can't recall any promotion while on active duty, but at least two on reserve officers: Manuel Gutierrez Mellado and Angel Salas Larrazabal (Air Force)

Since 1999 the rank is, for all practical purposes extinct, as it has been reserved for the King.

--Wllacer 00:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Overhaul

I've done a major overhaul of the military part of the article (was sitting in my sandbox for ages), and plan to do a less drastic change on the administrative side. Hope it is of better quality now. Sadly I cannot locate the document where I put the references, but hope is not totally lost ... I had to do away with most of the original content, I hope the previous contributors will understand --Wllacer (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Captain general. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110818005134/http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/RiConstitution/C09.html to http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/RiConstitution/C09.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 21:29, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removed from article

The following section of the main article did not look notable (somebody in Brazil who awards himself titles?), so moved here 11:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Sovereign Ecclesiastical State of the Church of the East

The title Captain-General (Capitán-General) was given, in 1910, to the commander-in-chief, the Sovereign Prince-Archbishop.

In 1972 the post of the Captain-General was replaced by the Marshal-General (Mariscal-General), and the post of the Captain-General became only an honorary title, named Captain General of the Church, exclusive use of the Sovereign.

The title been exclusively borne by the Prince-Archbishop (currently Adao Pereira, S.A.R+G.D.). It is the highest military rank. Assimilated to a NATO OF-11 rank (OF-10 until that year).

According to the Fundamental Law (Constitutional Charter) of the Sovereign Ecclesiastical State, the Sovereign Prince-Archbishop holds the titles of "Marshal-General", "Captain-General of the Church" and "Commander in Chief".