Talk:Canadian Broadcasting Corporation/Archives/2021

Requested move 22 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa (talk) 19:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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Canadian Broadcasting Corporation → CBC/Radio-Canada – Although the broadcaster is officially known as the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, it is often referred to as CBC/Radio-Canada because its French networks use the name Radio-Canada. —ÐW^(T·C) 21:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support This name is the name of the corporation but this article is about the Radio side of the corporation. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for actually making sense! —ÐW^(T·C) 04:22, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is the English Wikipedia. We should use only the official name in English. --  Denelson83  21:56, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Um, this article is in the location of this corporation's official name and it only discussed the radio systems. They are currently named CBC Radio One and CBC Radio Two and are collectively called CBC/Radio-Canada to distinguish it from Radio International. https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en See what comes up just at https://www.cbc.ca/. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

So there should be no article on Wikipedia with the name "Canadian Broadcasting Corporation"? And what's "Radio International"? And there is a section in this article discussing the corporation's television assets. It does not just focus on radio. --  Denelson83  07:57, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Not my point. This article Could probably be a general one about the CBC while the separate media entities could have their own articles. Radio Canada International is Radio Canada International. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - discussion is moot until proposer actually demonstrates that the preponderance of independent, reliable sources refer to this company as such. -- Netoholic @ 17:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for reasons unknown to Wikipedia policy. --Wtshymanski (talk) 19:42, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Denelson83. Peter Ormond 💬 03:15, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Denelson83. — Eric0892 (talk) 05:05, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

You all just love love this "Denelson83" rando, don't you? —ÐW^(T·C) 04:22, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

‘’’Oppose’’’ per Denelson83 Newfiebluejay (talk) 14:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

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Sourcing for CBC Allegations of Bias

Hello all,

I am starting on a project to bring improved rigor and evidence to Wikipedia's representations of the bias of major media outlets in Canada. I have started with the CBC. I would like to add some objective perspective to the "Allegations of Bias" section for the CBC page.

It has been challenging finding solid acceptable sources to allow for evidence-based discussion. I agree some media bias rating sites have very questionable methodology. Media Bias/Fact Check is judged an unacceptable source. AllSides seems more substantial and is not judged unacceptable but does not have a CBC entry.

There are a few surveys, in this case commissioned by the CBC itself and/or undertaken by well regarded external survey groups (such as Ipsos Reid and Abacus) looking into the biases and balance of Canadian media outlets. I would like to make brief summmary reference to them on the CBC page.

I propose an edit to add a summary statement along the lines of the below:

"Surveys have found a perception of centre-left/Liberal Party bias in the CBC among the Canadian public. "

The statement is deliberately crafted not to say the CBC definitely has a particular bias, but that these sources at least indicate there is a public perception of a Liberal Party/centre-left bias.

I welcome any constructive feedback on the potential sources and edit. My intention is to have greater evidence-based discussion to be able to hold all media outlets to public account. Apologies on any vocabulary or formatting issues. I have only recently joined the editing effort.

Balancingakt (talk) 03:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like a great project. Do be aware that there are sources that are not considered reliable. I don't know much about this, but @Manticore: and @RenatUK: may. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:00, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the redirect, Walter. FYI using the same sources, I am working to add similarly structured statements to the pages for the National Post, The Globe and Mail, CTV News, and Global News. I have located those statements in "Political stance" sections on each of their pages, as per the way the Globe's page was already structured. To clarify: I propose to add the statement to the "Allegations of Bias" in the "Controversy" section of the CBC's page, so as to not disrupt the framing and flow of what already exists.Balancingakt (talk) 17:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

It appears no objections. Last call before I execute the edit?Balancingakt (talk) 02:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Great project, but the people who deleted your earlier edits have not discussed. You may want to {{ping}} them. I do not see consensus here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:51, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

@Manticore: @RenatUK: last call on feedback or objections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balancingakt (talk • contribs) 21:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Silence is not consensus. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:27, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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