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Maddox

Maddox, the author of The Best Page in the Universe, satirized "cam shores" in an article titled "How to become an obnoxious internet cam whore in five easy steps".

"cam shores", shores, is that a typo?

Really used?

Is there evidence this term is actually used anywhere except in connection with Justin Berry? The NY Times article uses the term "camwhore" once, saying that's what Justin and the other kids he knew called themselves. If there's no other evidence that this term is in widespread use, I suggest simply making this page a redirect to Justin Berry, with a mention there that he and the other kids called themselves "camwhores". Angr (talk • contribs) 13:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely widely used w/o any connection to Mr. Berry or the NY Times. In fact, the term usually refers to women. Have you tried google? In any case here are a few examples that predate the Times feature on Berry:

Brisbane teenager Amanda, 19, set up her first website when she was 12. But it was only last year she first posted photographs of herself. Amanda is part of an international network that actively asks for gifts. "I don't object to the term camgirl but I do to `camwhore', which people call us and I find offensive," she says. "I have my pride, my morals. Camgirls have to think about where they stand and what extent they will go to for a gift." -Chris Taylor, "A parent's worst nightmare", Sunday Mail, (Brisbane, Australia), August 11, 2002. -- JJay 19:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Short, who insists she has nothing to do with the porn industry, earns about $50 a week from referrals to the portal and $300 in tips and photo sales from her occasional member-only shows. But her website suggests a complicated persona. We learn of Short's fondness for body piercing, her history as an "abuse survivor" and her interest in "witchcraft". Asked why she became a camwhore, Short replies: "I just enjoy it, really I'm not really sure why I do it ... I like the attention, definitely. And I'm a bi-sexual, so I like to look at the girls as well, I like the good-looking girls too." She says the camera is a strange beast that makes some people do things they wouldn't do ordinarily.- Julie Szego, "Camgirls", The Age, (Melbourne, Australia), February 1, 2003.

I hope this helps to answer your question. -- JJay 19:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maddox did a post about them], too. Definitely a widely used term. --Rory0 96 19:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks! Maybe these sources can be incorporated into the article so it isn't quite so heavily Justin-Berry-biased. Angr (talk • contribs) 19:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, but I don't think the article is really biased. The problem is that Mr. Berry became famous for his work in this field thanks to the NY Times. He has been on Oprah and testified before congress. The other people in the business tend to be obscure. For better or worse, Berry has become a figurehead and spokesperson. -- JJay 20:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

rewording

I reworded some of the text in reference to Justin Berry to correspond with the biographical article. However, I think that some of the text is redundant; the article should be more about "camwhore" than Justin Berry. Dan Asad 21:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, that's why I took some details (such as the Las Vegas location and the name of the molestor) out again; here we should just list a very short summary of Justin Berry. AxelBoldt 16:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move to CamGirl

I suggest a move/merge with CamGirl.

There's an AfC for CamGirl from 2006-04-18 with the following content:

Camgirl is a term used to describe mostly young, attractive females on the internet with personal sites, a webcam, and requests for money/gifts. A camgirl can also be known by less flattering terms such as a "camwhore" which would be someone who craves attention through their webcam. Camgirls were pioneered by people sites such as Jennicam and Ana Voog. While both of these women had/have webcams, neither of them would be considered camgirls by today's cultural definition.

The most popular webcam portal was once the webcam portals on the stileproject [1] where non-nude images of young women were portrayed. Stile's cam portal started off as people mostly in their early to mid 20s with webcams that were only on while they worked. In 2000, Stile's cam portal included such cam illimunaries as Jackie [2], Puce, Meenk, and Dawn Marie. As 2001 came, the stileproject started featuring younger and younger girls, some of which were underage.

Though there were already several highschool aged (and younger) girls with cams and personal sites on the net, the stileproject featuring some of these younger girls on the camportals helped propel them into a sub-culture of their own, which is the Camgirl sub-culture that we have come to recogonize today.

In reaction to the newfound popularity of this sub-culture, Daign [3] started a camgirl review site, where he would visit each site and provide cynical commentary of each camgirl's site.

2001 marked the rise of the camgirl, as camgirls started to be featured in mainstream media such as salon.com, and culminated in 2003 with an appearance by a 16 year old camgirl on the tv news show "48 hours." This period saw a rise of camgirls, and a decline in centralized camgirls. After this period -- the Camgirl Era, camgirls became less significant as more and more people began to have personal sites with webcams.

I agree this is just a derogatory term that does not show any sense of a NPOV - it just could never be neutral and so it should be merged with camgirl which could have sections for sexual and non-sexual camgirls. Pornhistorian (talk) 08:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the term

Shouldn't there be come reference to stileproject and/or it's owner, stile, the creater of the camwhores.com (which happens to be one of the oldest and largest webcam portals on the internet)? It would just make sensce considering he was the one who originally put the term into circulation and widespread use. There's even a definition of what "cam whore" means on the site.

Sources

http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/08/13/cam_girls/index.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/06/48hours/main535423.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

http://www.wordspy.com/words/camgirl.asp

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V121/N21/col21burro.21c.html

CamGirls: A Documentary by Jay Holben

the name is an insult

change the articles name, its insulting to an alreasdy degraded demographic.Karaveks voice 05:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why change the name? This is the term (cam whore), thus the page for the definition of the term (cam whore) is titled said term(cam whore).Tqless 03:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing re-direct?

Why does the "edit this page" redirect to here? If this page is locked for editing, why is it not designated thusly? What is happening with this article? LACameraman 21:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

I have a problem with the picture that was placed here. Firstly (and this is a problem with the picture I might bring up there), I don't think the person who uploaded it to flickr can use the licensing. It isn't her work, she found the camera and uploaded the picture. However, another problem is that it doesn't illustrate the article. From the article, " A cam whore (sometimes cam-whore or cam-slut) is an individual who exposes himself or herself on the Internet with webcam software." This is obviously not a webcam picture. It could be illustrating a common pose, but posing isn't even talked about here. I think a more accurate, free picture could be found. Phydend 03:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's the best I could find on flickr unfortunately. While not strictly speaking accurate, I think it does give an approximate illustration of the the subject, in a comical fashion. I say leave it in until a better replacement is found or it is deleted by the copyright police. Skomorokh ^incite 17:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, reading the article again it does describe it to also encompass "individuals who post pictures or videos of themselves on the Internet to gain attention" which this does illustrate. Copyright issues aside I think it works well and am fine with it staying until a decision is made at the IfD. Phydend 17:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Webcam Model

can we use the very Politicy Correct term for cam whore, which is Webcam Model, most these cam whores now say they are webcam model. so can we use that term or have that term redirect to the cam whore page.--Boutitbenza 69 9 (talk) 03:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Largely agree. There seem to be two different concepts here. "Webcam models" or "Webcam performers" quite explicitly are online to do sexual or quasi-sexual video chat, usually at a fixed rate per minute. Usually they are quite legal (complying with issues like archiving all sessions in case there are allegations of illegal activity, etc.) "Cam whore" tends to be more of a disparaging term for people who say "Oh, I'm just putting a lot of my life on the Internet" but who are angling for money, gifts, etc., using sexuality as bait, and probably not complying with laws about online pornography for profit. The former seems a more promising topic for an article. I could imagine the latter meriting a small section in that article. - Jmabel | Talk 23:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For "Oh, I'm just putting a lot of my life on the Internet", see lifecasting (video stream). Cam whoring (or the p.c. variant of that term) would seem to be a separate but related phenomenon. I'm not happy changing the title of this article to "webcam model" or similar unless it can be demonstrated that something other than "cam whore" is the most common designator for the stereotype. WP:CENSOR, WP:SPADE and all that. Skomorokh 00:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dramatica is more accurate than Wikipedia

It's funny, but Encyclopedia Dramatica has far more accurate article on cam whoring than Wikipedia. The phenomenon is primarily about attention seeking, very tiny percent of cam whores get significant enough following to be able to turn it into money or goods. "whore" in "cam whore" is like in "attention whore" not like in "prostitute whore". Taw (talk) 17:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

money

the prevalence of sites like imlive.com,livejasmin.com or cams.com which are based solely on a per minute fee is far greater than the sites which encourage viewers to buy goods through cam models ps:i haven't linked the sites since they might contain offensive material furthermore there should be a distinction made...sites like imlive also offer non sexual based services such as psichologichal conseling,motivational speaking,astrology,language teaching etc.. these services although performed by a person in front of a camera and charged on a minute basis should not be included in the definition of the term cam whore...we should either create a separate section or a new article although the first suggestion seems more suitable

Mel Willams

I lol'd, but i'm pretty sure that 'camwhore' and 'mel willams' are not interchangeable....

A new page for "webcam model" is needed!!!

This needs to be redone... there's a definite distinction between the term "camwhore" and "webcam model". Go to any webcam modeling pornographic site and you'll see they don't use "cam whore" as their invitation to view the models. It's always "webcam model" since that is really what it is and doesn't demean the demographic and isn't derogatory. The webcam modeling pornographic business uses "webcam model" on numerous sites and is a standard reference within the industry, just view the websites I show below, if more are needed then I can add some additional ones.

There should be two separate pages, one for "camwhore"; where you have girls that are "attention seeking" and "like to be called that" as is explained in the "cam girls" page and this "camwhore" page. Whore in this context means they crave the attention and not the sexual reference of the word "whore"'s definition. Also on this page we can let people obsess some more over Justin Berry and his story of using a webcam to create a child pornographic paysite.. This is unrelated to both camwhore and webcam model. I don't think the NY Times and other publications should make him this definition just because they referred to him as such in their story. Have a link to the "cam whore" page put on his page if this is so important to reference. Just because they refer to him as a cam whore doesn't give him credibility to be referred to in the definition of cam whore.

Another separate page should be made for webcam modeling; a legitimate business/job that is pay per minute for private shows of pornographic nature for the clientele. For both male and female models that are on sites stated above, livejasmin.com (which has been around since the mid 90's), naked.com, imlive.com, livesweeties.com, playboylive.com the list goes on, MODELS will perform sex shows to users that initiate the shows for a pay per minute fee, called a "private". It's a completely different way of viewing webcam usage in a pornographic sense. One is legitimately a real industry that actually has standards and reputability. While the other is the "whores" of the cams i guess for those that want to talk some more about Justin Berry and other girls that like to refer to themselves in such a derogatory sense. Majority of webcam models do NOT want to be called a "cam whore" and furthermore shouldn't be defined in Wikipedia as such. Wikipedia needs to change this to clear up the misconception and degradation. I will try to make the change if there is no thought out reason given in response to this as to why it should stay the way it is. Kledsky (talk) 16:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I am proposing to merge camgirl and camwhore as camwhore is a derogatory term and it is difficult if not impossible to write a NPOV. article.My full reasons are:

It does not meet wikipedia's guidelines of a NPOV and it is hard to see how it could as it is a derogatory term.
The term is not widely used Google gives 192000 returns compared to 1.8 million for camgirl - about 1%
It would be much better having a sexual and non-sexual content section under camgirl. Pornhistorian (talk) 09:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC) Y Merger complete. --DarkCrow^Caw 16:21, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]