Talk:Cala (footballer, born 1989)

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On 10 April 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Juan Cala. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Requested move 10 April 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 06:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– "Cala" acts as last name for these footballers, WP:COMMONNAME often includes first name for both of these footballers. Also a better disambiguator as per WP:NATURAL. Ortizesp (talk) 04:52, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 09:18, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - BDFutbol for both players says they are just 'Cala', as do other sources. Unsure why we are adding forenames to their nicknames? GiantSnowman 09:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Most sources list the player as "Juan Cala" for the former, and Cala for short. Cala in this case acts as a last name equivalent, not the standard last name like "Kaká" or "Isco". If you control-F "Juan Cala", it shows 21 times on his page already. Of the references, the majority list him as "Juan Cala" - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22,23, 24, 25.
- For the second footballer, Cala is a shortened form of his last name "Calatayud". These references already on page list him as "Sergio Cala" - 1, 2.
- Please review and let me know what you think. Obviously we can't make up nickname first name combinations (as I've learned long ago), but this follows WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATURAL. Sometimes the header for BDFutbol is the commonname, and sometimes shows just the last name.@GiantSnowman:@85.243.89.253:--Ortizesp (talk) 21:25, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (and also answering GS's question) - another idiotic approach by sportscasters misleading people at WP, i've seen how Isco is often addressed in matches as "Isco Alarcón" (i suppose they are doing it just to be pedantic, as in Portugal back in the day (and even now!) with the "Pedro Pauleta", the "Nuno Capucho", the "Jorge Silas"). That's a name/nickname compound! --85.243.89.253 (talk) 18:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Replying Ortizesp: sources are useless in this case, this is an open-and-shut case, his FULL NAME is "Juan Torres Ruiz" (and the other chap is "Sergio Calatayud Lebrón"; and certainly a SWEDISH source for an obscure player is not reliable, they just wrongly named him "Sergio Cala" in that report), his SPORTING NAME is "Cala" not "Juan Cala"! It is the same (wrong) approach you embraced in Diga Almeida, Tarantini Monteiro and many many others (i.e. your last creation Beto Betuncal!). --85.243.89.253 (talk) 21:57, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- I admit that I was wrong on Diga/Tarantini, and those pages have been reverted. I moved Beto myself when I realized my mistake. This doesn't change the fact that the common name for Juan Torres Ruiz can be either Cala or Juan Cala - but Juan Cala is a better disambiguation. The Swedish sources for "Sergio Cala" is Jönköpings Södra(the Swedish club he played for) and the Allsvenskan (the actual league itself) so I assume they are reliable.@85.243.89.253:--Ortizesp (talk) 01:03, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Never a really good approach to use a name + nickname compound when it's not the common name. Both players are mainly known as "Cala", while the Juan one is more known. The other guy is not known as "Sergio Cala" in any Spanish sources. Plus, this move does not follow WP:NATURAL by a mile. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 01:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. In any spanish sources, it doesn't known as "Sergio Caia". 36.77.95.37 (talk) 02:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. WP:COMMONNAME is primary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:26, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.